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Post by tog on Dec 19, 2005 13:02:11 GMT -6
I know that a qb setting up and carrying out his fake is a way for him to "block" secondary guys with the threat of the pass, but nowadays I see players that just don't fall for it.
How do you play with all 11 on offense? How do you make the qb more than just someone that hands the ball off and is essentially a wasted player?
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Post by brophy on Dec 19, 2005 13:06:54 GMT -6
run super power
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Post by coachjd on Dec 19, 2005 13:07:00 GMT -6
Out of Gun, Q Iso, Q GT, Q Power, Q Dart, Q Zone (Looks like option, but Q is reading block of OT and TE ie. Ohio State), option.
From under center. Midline with the TB or slot lead, option. GT Boot (bs OT pulls for 2-3 steps and reverses out to lead qb ont the boot run.
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Post by knighter on Dec 19, 2005 13:13:16 GMT -6
super power and lead XX 47/56 C...use him as a blocker!!!
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Post by tog on Dec 19, 2005 13:15:33 GMT -6
ok
we are going to have to get a thread explaining all the wing-t/double wing chinese stuff to us zone guys out here
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Post by brophy on Dec 19, 2005 13:21:57 GMT -6
basically, you run toss / outside zone and strap some C4 explosive to your QB as he runs towards the nearest defender.
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Post by los on Dec 19, 2005 13:29:34 GMT -6
Seriously Tog, I used the QB for a lot of backside protect, good bootleg fake but he was only the lead blocker on a flanker reverse play! I formation not wing stuff!
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Post by los on Dec 19, 2005 13:32:55 GMT -6
Oh yeah, most of the wing teams we play, the QB is looking for the smallest DB on the power, not the biggest, baddest lineman or linebacker!
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Dec 19, 2005 13:34:14 GMT -6
basically, you run toss / outside zone and strap some C4 explosive to your QB as he runs towards the nearest defender.
Just like we do it (except for the C4... we take along those little Black Cat fireworks).
For us (I formation) the FB kicks out, QB leads on first to show outside-in and the Guard pulls and takes first inside out. Playside Down blocks/ combos (or other call) backside E can fill for puller or release to 2nd/3rd level.
Option (Veer, Midline, Speed Opt.) too can involve all players.
I would think most passing plays do too.
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Post by brophy on Dec 19, 2005 13:34:55 GMT -6
pardon me with an aside, but this actually lends itself to another discussion entirely...."WHAT do you look for in a QB?"......
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Post by tog on Dec 19, 2005 13:38:17 GMT -6
right was thinking of plays where he hands off and then just sets up as being the waste plays, or the ones where he is "blocking" the secondary by faking the pass after the handoff
plays where he pitches and then goes and blocks are surely ways to make him an actual football player.
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Post by los on Dec 19, 2005 13:47:43 GMT -6
Hey, if the other team stops respecting your QB fakes, you know what to do! I chew out our QB all the time for handing off and then just watching the play! It pisses the HC off but I'll tell him, "If you want to watch the rest of these guys play, go stand on the sideline or be a cheerleader" Takes all 11 to win!
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Post by brophy on Dec 19, 2005 14:10:24 GMT -6
tog,
I know you're a zone guy, so I'll ask - - after your handoffs, don't you have your QB booting wide (regardless) to stretch out the backside DE (create a cutback lane)?
The minute the DE doesn't respect the QB boot, the QB should have a free pass to run a naked
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Post by tog on Dec 19, 2005 14:25:37 GMT -6
that's how we used to do it,
set up to pass on stretch on stretch, threat of play action "blocks" the secondary
naked set up on IZ- holds backside DE
Now doing all of this from the gun, without having to motion, and without having to hope the playaction threat holds them, and still having the threat of a pass that looks very close to the intitial parts of our zone run game are what I am interested in.
Putting the best athlete available that can throw a little back there and having 11 football players out there.
at least that is the thinking going on in my cabeza
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Post by FF/Coach on Dec 19, 2005 15:11:34 GMT -6
Not sure if it's what you're looking for but, we are a 1 back gun zone team. The way we do it is to get the QB involved in all 3 aspects, blocking, running, and passing. On our Zone plays the QB reads BS DE as he rides the hand-off across his body, if the DE follows the TB, our QB pulls the ball and replaces the DE, if the DE comes to the mesh point the QB gives the ball and sticks his nose across the DE's #s. We will also run a zone lead with the QB keeping and TB leading on the 1st man to show outside the DE, this also sets up our sprint out series. The TB will attack the LOS as on the lead zone, QB sprints to depth then gets downhill, we flood the zone with #1 deep vert., #2 12 -15 out, and the TB/#3 quick delays off of the LMoLOS to a shallow out, QB rules are run 1st throw 2nd ("killer play"). We also have complement routes off of this.
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Post by los on Dec 19, 2005 15:47:16 GMT -6
Hey Tog, I'll take that U. of Texas QB as an 11th guy anyday in the shotgun/oneback! You got anymore like that out there! Maybe thats what you're thinking about, a serious big threat guy at QB , to go along with you're other good skill guys? Probably hard to find a guy like that each season at the high school level though?
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Post by tog on Dec 19, 2005 20:27:18 GMT -6
I don't think it has to be a guy like that los, zone read, gt read, qb gun runs just need to be with the best you have
now, if you have one like that, it helps
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Post by saintrad on Dec 19, 2005 22:38:59 GMT -6
basically, you run toss / outside zone and strap some C4 explosive to your QB as he runs towards the nearest defender. now we are talking!
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Post by ralphieparker on Dec 26, 2005 12:53:34 GMT -6
Hey, if the other team stops respecting your QB fakes, you know what to do! I chew out our QB all the time for handing off and then just watching the play! It pisses the HC off but I'll tell him, "If you want to watch the rest of these guys play, go stand on the sideline or be a cheerleader" Takes all 11 to win! I am curious as to why the HC gets upset. It seems to me that you are coaching execution. No matter what offense we run, the carrying out of fakes is important and should not be taken lightly. On the other hand it does make it nice for the defense if the offense does not carry out their responsibilities.
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Post by los on Dec 26, 2005 14:21:39 GMT -6
Don't really know except maybe he doesn't want me upsetting the g lory boys ego's???
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Dec 26, 2005 14:58:11 GMT -6
Well the way that I look at it, if you dont do your job, then there is surely someone on the sidelines looking to get a little "glory boy" action out there! Let him sit and be a cheerleader!!
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Dec 26, 2005 16:39:01 GMT -6
Tog this is an excellent subject, Like you say many times the QB seems to be a wasted player on the field and more and more he needs to be included in the "using all 11 players"
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Post by pegleg on Dec 26, 2005 16:49:57 GMT -6
these are great responses and with the system i run our qbis involved because he is a threat because of the read like 175 described above. my question is this, why do college and pro teams fake the reverse on every run out of the i? i was watching nfl the other day and i never saw them give the ball to the reciever or the de stay at home, so why do itand does it really work and do any of you hgh school guys does this our of the i?
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Post by easternkycoach on Dec 29, 2005 0:37:47 GMT -6
I'd go with running the belly series and make the bootleg pass and bootleg runs a bigger part of the play calling.
We run a play Pro I Left form, dive the fb to outside foot of left guard and block B gap defender, pull LG and LTorTE to the right, down blocks from C, RG, and RT, LG kickout first man past b gap, LT or TE lead up, TB fakes option or belly left, QB faces out to FB then counter action aiming to inside foot where the RT was. Sort of like counter option with counter trey blocking, only the TB goes away, you'll have to draw it up to see.
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Post by los on Dec 29, 2005 16:20:51 GMT -6
Hey Peg, I saw the falcons try a jet/reverse off power against the Bears a while back and their DE played it perfect- came down on the inside release by the OT, stayed square in the hole, peeked inside looking for trap/kickout, then noticed the WR reverse and was so quick, he caught him in the backfield! 4th down-punt!! I guess they're looking at something we're not thinking about when they do it
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