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Post by leighty on Jan 13, 2008 22:07:01 GMT -6
The current situation at Florida State got me wondering what everyone's position is on "suggesting" players pursue other endeavors.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 13, 2008 22:28:42 GMT -6
I'd be straight forward with them. Bring them into the office one by one and explain to them how they have damaged the program; then tell them they are no longer a part of the program. I never "suggest" anything in those types of situations; make a black and white call. Either they are forgiven or they're gone; no in between.
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Post by leighty on Jan 14, 2008 0:02:09 GMT -6
What if it's not necessarily the resident dirtbag? It's easy to throw those guys off the team. What about the guys who are just there going through the motions, miss more than their share of summer workouts, stand around in practice, haven't and won't contribute, that kind of thing?
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Post by fbdoc on Jan 14, 2008 7:18:55 GMT -6
Have your policies spelled out, communicate them to the players, and then follow through CONSISTANTLY when events occur. If your rules state you get strikes then give them 3 strikes. If they say you're gone for one instance of cheating then you're gone! You don't have to "Force" them out, they made the decision themself.
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Post by brophy on Jan 14, 2008 8:26:23 GMT -6
What if it's not necessarily the resident dirtbag? It's easy to throw those guys off the team. What about the guys who are just there going through the motions, miss more than their share of summer workouts, stand around in practice, haven't and won't contribute, that kind of thing? attendance = lack of playing time "going through motions" in practice = more challenges and 'chatter' from position coach (DO IT CORRECTLY). "hiding in practice" = coach will send your butt home. To return, player has to answer to player leadership council (apologize or rededicate). If not, you have voluntarily quit. Build a positive (competitive) peer culture, that way the KIDS run bad apples off (instead of coaches). |
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Post by bulldogoption on Jan 14, 2008 10:01:23 GMT -6
Have your policies spelled out, communicate them to the players, and then follow through CONSISTANTLY when events occur. If your rules state you get strikes then give them 3 strikes. If they say you're gone for one instance of cheating then you're gone! You don't have to "Force" them out, they made the decision themself. fbdoc is wise!!! Have your policies spelled out and "running kids off" is easier.....and out of respect to kids it should be spelled out. We're just football coaches, not God. Our way isn't necessarily the right way and to run off a kid..... just because....... probably isn't right. But if that kid has broken rules/policies then it can be straight forward. The policies/rules are up to you. |
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Post by gacoach on Jan 14, 2008 13:14:27 GMT -6
The last time I checked, high school athletics are "voluntary" activities. That being said, the student-athlete must follow those rules as set by the coach, athletic department and school. If you don't you aren't "allowed" on the team, because that it what we do as coaches....allow the students to play. It's not a right.
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Post by gunrun on Jan 14, 2008 14:44:38 GMT -6
Good philosophy.
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Post by trojan on Jan 14, 2008 15:01:09 GMT -6
And then make sure you contact the parent(s) so your school administrators don't buckle...  |
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Post by rideanddecide on Jan 14, 2008 16:33:05 GMT -6
Can any of you legally require weight room attendance?
Our state association will not allow us to place any punishment/rewards upon off season activities.
Doesn't mean it won't happen (there is a reason I record our attendance), but we can't tell a kid and his family that he didn't make the off season commitment so he can't play football. Or even that he didn't lift over the off season so he can't start.
The only way I get around this is by having attendance available to ever use as a possible reason why Billy might actually be better than Johnny.
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Post by leighty on Jan 14, 2008 19:31:42 GMT -6
Can any of you legally require weight room attendance? Our state association will not allow us to place any punishment/rewards upon off season activities. Doesn't mean it won't happen (there is a reason I record our attendance), but we can't tell a kid and his family that he didn't make the off season commitment so he can't play football. Or even that he didn't lift over the off season so he can't start. The only way I get around this is by having attendance available to ever use as a possible reason why Billy might actually be better than Johnny. The way around that is you tell everyone they have dawn patrol, but those that make the required number of workouts will be excused. |
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Post by rideanddecide on Jan 15, 2008 8:24:42 GMT -6
By making the kids that don't lift the last ones in line, the last to get uniforms,etc... aren't you handing out a punishment?
I'm just curious what others do to hold kids accountable when the state association says you can't require them to be there and you cannot hand out rewards or punishments based upon off season attendance.
The next part of this comes with the posts I've seen on this board about ethics. For all the high and mighty coaches who never "cheat" what do you do to follow state association rules to the letter but still get kids to lift.
On a side note, we have a team attendance rate of 89% right now. That means as a team we are hitting 89% of the possible lifting opportunities. So I don't really have a problem getting kids in because we've finally got the culture and expectations in place.
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Post by gacoach on Jan 15, 2008 9:57:13 GMT -6
By making the kids that don't lift the last ones in line, the last to get uniforms,etc... aren't you handing out a punishment? I'm just curious what others do to hold kids accountable when the state association says you can't require them to be there and you cannot hand out rewards or punishments based upon off season attendance. The next part of this comes with the posts I've seen on this board about ethics. For all the high and mighty coaches who never "cheat" what do you do to follow state association rules to the letter but still get kids to lift. On a side note, we have a team attendance rate of 89% right now. That means as a team we are hitting 89% of the possible lifting opportunities. So I don't really have a problem getting kids in because we've finally got the culture and expectations in place. It's not a punishment for those that didn't show up, but a reward for those that did. We reward those players that show up a set amount of summer workouts with them getting their names on their jerseys. |
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Post by airman on Jan 15, 2008 10:43:31 GMT -6
it is a fine line between reward and punishment. still the kids who did not show up most likely will not care away way. it johnny 3rd stringer shows up and freddy first stringer does not show up, you have to play johnny 3rd stringer or you have no honor and it shows players who do not show up.
just like if you are going to have dawn patrol, you better be willing to get out of bed and hold them to it for all of preseason camp.
in the marine corps they have PT platoons for those who fail to pass the pullup, situp and 3 mile runs. these people work out for as long as possible but they also have to serve in the chow line and cleanup the mess hall.
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Post by coachsml7 on Jan 15, 2008 11:09:18 GMT -6
I always give the kid a way to "get out of jail". I feel this is very important. Then it falls on the kid and not the coach. The kid was given a choice and chose the wrong path. Therefor he removed himself!
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