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Post by coachjaz on Jun 3, 2007 20:56:15 GMT -6
I had a short conversation with a friend today. What are your thoughts?
Please post any discussion points as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2007 21:01:52 GMT -6
I voted tolerate, but I'm probably in a different situation than most. I'm currently a sub teacher and looking for a fulltime teaching job. I do enjoy the program I coach for, and I could "tolerate" being a sub for one more school year, but anything longer than that would eat at me.
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Post by brophy on Jun 3, 2007 21:14:59 GMT -6
good question. i think that most everyone views their current job as close to 'ideal', and if not, then they are likely taking steps to change that (rather than spending years without promotion or moving to a bigger program).
There are a lot of factors to consider, obviously that affect how we view our position. How the 'situation' ties in with teaching, administration, other faculty, community, athletes, conference.....things that you can't control.....things that you CAN control.....
Currently, I am in a near similar situation than the last gig I had....some things better, somethings are worse. The trade off make me believe that my current situation is as near perfect (for me) as I could hope for.
My ideal job would be coaching full time 24/7 with a staff that does likewise, making a salary that is a little bit more than just a handful of coaching gear.
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Post by pegleg on Jun 3, 2007 23:16:58 GMT -6
i love my job, but want more responsibility. i made no bones about the fact that i want to be an oc and then hc when i took this job. right now i am looking for some stability and will stay where i am for a while until the "right" opportunity presents itself (hopefully where i am).
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Post by knight9299 on Jun 3, 2007 23:34:23 GMT -6
As a coordinator at the sophomore level I can't ask for much else. Get a ton of say in our scheme, get to call said scheme, my input is well received during the varsity games. New HC that's closer to my age than the previous HCs I've worked for. Seems like a good guy. Get along great with the rest of the staff. Love the group of players we have. The administration is okay. One coached me in high school and the other was my high school principal. The AD is a tough guy to get a read on. The parents want to win, but don't seem to understand the importance of off season training. But do hold the staff accountable for our guys not being strong enough. It's a 30 minute drive one way. We haven't been very good recently. But those nights when the players put it altogether, there is a buzz in the stands like nothing I've been a part of. Former HC always said we didn't have the players. I always told him he was crazy. We're going to find out who was right this fall. And I cannot wait.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 4, 2007 6:05:21 GMT -6
My new position is a great fit. IM very happy.
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Post by phantom on Jun 4, 2007 6:07:53 GMT -6
I'm a HS DC and OL coach. I would have liked to have the chance to be a HC but I won't and that really doesn't bother me at all. Life would be easier if I taught in te building (I teach in a different district) but the pay difference is too much. Speaking of pay, I sure would like more. Those are minor matters. I'm very happy with my job. The HC and I have been friends for almost 40 years. Our staff has been together for years and we have a great time together. The HC gives me a lot of freedom and the staff can handle discussions freely but still keep it professional. The admin doesn't bother us and we get to go to a couple of clincs/visits each year. Furthermore, we have enough good athletes with good work ethics to be successful.
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Post by nexthc on Jun 4, 2007 6:33:20 GMT -6
Just like some/most people on the site, I teach and coach. I can not imagine sitting behind a desk for 8 hours a day and not coaching. Most of my friends do that. Yes, they may make more money than I do, put they are not happy. I make less money then they do, but I am very happy with my job and coaching situation.
I have spoke with my friends and they always say that they are jealous of me because I am doing what I enjoy doing and enjoy going to work.
I do not call it work, I call it school. In that way, I feel that it is not work, but school. I am teaching young men (football and in the classroom) and young woman (classroom).
This is just my thoughts.
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Post by wingtol on Jun 4, 2007 9:20:20 GMT -6
I am pretty happy where I am now. Went from a AAAA to A school (biggest to smallest) the school I am at now is where I graduated from and was part of the first team in school history. I coached OL/DB last year and was DC(and trust me i use that term loosely). The HC is my best friend I have know since I was 5. Have a ton of say and input on the program on and off the field. HC is the OC but will basically listen to what I say from the booth and run what I think. The AD I graduated with and is decent to work for. We turned the program around from 1-28 to 15-5 the last two years. Its been alot of fun......but frustrating. We are a small private school and always battling the numbers be it from money or grades. Kind of fighting an uphill battle to get more respect from the adminstration and help. Do I like coaching there? You bet. If my friend gets the chance to be HC at a bigger school with more support would we leave? In a second. Kind of a diffrent situation. Personally I have no intrest in ever being a HC. It's prob a unique situation I have being an asst. and having so much input on the program but one I like.
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Post by fbdoc on Jun 4, 2007 9:41:06 GMT -6
Got a great gig (HC at a private school) but still feel the tug to one day move back to college coaching. Enjoy everything about being a head coach, but still feel the most "fun" was when I was an OC at an NAIA school and everyone on the staff was on the same page - great work and great camaraderie - as we won the conference and went to the national playoffs. My dream job would probably be having my college (used to be NAIA, now is D-III) bring back football and hiring me as the head coach. Hey, you never know...
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jun 4, 2007 9:50:44 GMT -6
First of all- coaching is all I want to do... and probably what I was meant to do (sure wasn't meant to play the game very well, apparently).
I am between content and very happy at my current job (other thread explains this). Like wingtol, I moved from big to small... and really am grateful for the change.
I know that I have a good thing here- there are some drawbacks like any position... the main one (aside from very few athletes coming up and an inevitable move back up in classification) is teaching an academic area under NCLB scrutiny. For now, the classroom is something I tolerate... and it shouldn't be that way.
Football is great, pay (relative to cost of living) is great and I can do basically what I want in FB (am also AD).
I've come to a realization that NCLB will drive me out of the academic area (not because of pressures or test scores... we routinely are one of the highest in the state... but all the BS eventually gets to me) and in to full-time PE... and we are too small to have a 9-12 full-time PE teacher.
My current job, with a full time PE teaching load (with weights classes) would be perfect.
For the most part though, I have a pretty good situation here.
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Post by dubber on Jun 7, 2007 7:48:08 GMT -6
I'm thrilled to be coaching at all, but at this point, I feel an itch to be an OC...........don't know if I'm ready, but I know I want it.
HC? I don't know when, if ever, I'll be one.
High school or college? I'd sure like to be paid to do nothing but football stuff ;D....we'll see...........
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 7, 2007 7:52:54 GMT -6
took the approach this spring of "take 1 step backward to make 2 steps forward".
hoping it pays off in long haul.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2007 10:18:55 GMT -6
Couldn't be happier. Ten years ago I was a DC and I thought I'd do anything to be a head coach. Now I'm a DC at a bigger, better place and wouldn't trade it for any other job.
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Post by briangilbert on Jun 8, 2007 21:29:32 GMT -6
I haven't been coaching very long, but I get the impression from a coaching stand point that surrounding yourself with other quality coaches in the most important thing (Find a great HC). And I'm thankful that in my current situation that is the case, in my previous one I was at a larger school (D1) with more talent (arguably now at this point!), and the HC had a football IQ and personality that just made you cringe inside.
Long story short I'm at a d4 school (smaller school) in Ohio that is about to make a huge jump in the win column.
That big school I was at before, let's just say it's on a serious downward trend because of the head honcho.
A good staff I think can turn kids into winners, and a bad staff can't win with tons of talent. At least that's my experience.
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Post by warrior53 on Jun 10, 2007 15:54:34 GMT -6
i will second that briang.
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