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Post by coachshawn on May 7, 2007 7:35:14 GMT -6
First I want to say I appreciate any help I recieve. Ok here's my problem and question. (Problem) I know of a kid who plays highschool football very talented but plays at small school that doesn't get a lot of exposure. This kid as a junior is 5'9 185lbs benches 225lbs 9 times runs a 4.6 forty rushed for over 1000 yards had 10 TD's and only played 7 games. His coach isn't helping him get recurited from what he tells me and now he's considering transfering to another school. (Question) I was wondering what would you guys do to help a deserving young man with a problem like this. Again I would like to thank everyone in advance.
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Post by tvt50 on May 7, 2007 7:41:36 GMT -6
Send out a highlight film on DVD to as many colleges as possible. Include the kids contact info. Its like fishing throw out the bait and see what bites. But really this should have already been done a couple of months ago, but better late than never.
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Post by fbdoc on May 7, 2007 8:23:25 GMT -6
The other part of the equation is his transcript. The awful truth is small quick guys like that are a dime a dozen in the recruiting world. If he has good grades and test scores he can get a significant portion of his college costs paid for.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2007 8:52:54 GMT -6
Agree with fbdoc. When I read your post I thought about a current player at the school where I coached a decade ago. I'd have not been surprised if it were the same kid. There are a lot like that so you have to sell his other qualities too.
I'll use a goose hunting analogy. In this case you need to flock shoot, not just pick out a bird to aim at. In other words, send out the material everywhere the kid has a realistic chance to make the team.
I'd offer one bit of caution. Knowing nothing about the kid, if the college coaches like what they see on film they may contact his head coach. You've said the HC isn't doing anything for the kid, so is he just like that or is there something he doesn't like about the kid or doesn't think the kid can play. When the schools come a calling and talking about this kid they saw on film, he may wonder how his team's film got out of the office without his knowing.
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Post by coachshawn on May 7, 2007 9:36:11 GMT -6
The HC knows that the kid wants to send out highlight tapes. He gave the kid tapes of the season so that he could make a highlight tape but for some reason the HC didn't want to make the tape and send it out. I could be wrong and you guys know better than I but isn't it his job (HC) to do those things. His grades are fine he's a C+ student and he's taking his SAT this month for the first time. Thanks again
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Post by coachd5085 on May 7, 2007 9:47:17 GMT -6
coach shawn...not to be a pessimist here, but 5'9 and 4.6 coach timed plus c+ grades are not that attractive. Also, to reiterrate what was said earlier, becareful fishing in someone elses pond. If YOU have a relationship with this guy, that is fine. However, if you don't, you might want to look into WHY the coach supposedly isn't helping this kid.
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Post by ajreaper on May 7, 2007 10:39:56 GMT -6
1) what has this kid done to get noticed himself? Attend any camps or combines?
2) coaches who do not help a kid often have good reasons not to- he may be lacking in other areas and his coach does not want to push this kid because of those reasons.
3) How will transferring help his cause? He'll be an unknown to his new coach who'd have a hard time promoting a kid he's never coached.
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Post by coachshawn on May 7, 2007 10:45:16 GMT -6
Coachd5085 maybe you reading to much into the message I am not fishing in someone elses pond. This kid is a relative that I'm trying to help. I knew I would get great advice from this site as to how I could possibly help him.
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Post by brophy on May 7, 2007 10:47:25 GMT -6
transfer and see what happens.
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Post by coachshawn on May 7, 2007 10:52:54 GMT -6
AJreaper you have excellent points. This kid has never been to any camps or combines but from talking with him no one on his team has either. I don't have the place to judge his HC or their program but as coaches how often have you seen a situation like that.
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Post by spartancoach on May 7, 2007 11:30:11 GMT -6
Don't want to be the one to pee on the fire, but the kid sounds extremely average. We have had many kids with far more impressive "measurables" and grades go DIII, or even JC.
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Post by coachshawn on May 7, 2007 12:24:10 GMT -6
What are above average measurables for a RB. I've check many recuriting sites and the TOP RB's on these sites average height 5-9 average weight 181 average forty 4.57 and these are the top backs in the state all receiving DI offers. Since his mearsurables are very similar to the TOP RB's how can I help him. I appreciate all feedback guys I really do.
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Post by wingman on May 7, 2007 12:31:40 GMT -6
I do send out dvds of all my recruitable guys to all the d1 schools and those that give scholarships west of the Mississippi and a lot east of that. However, at 5' 9 185 and that usually means 5' 7 1/2 and 175 he is very small. The 4.6 doesn't mean much because college coaches know everyone exaggerates. If he was legit fast, he should have some track times. I'd also add his racial persuasion is a big issue although no one says that. all that being said, those coaches will evaluate him on tape not stats. he could go to a camp and run for them although 4.6 for a small guy isn't impressive. You should also realize that recruiters are leery of a guy like that. If they go back and recommend a player that size and they sign him and he doesn't pan out, th eguy who brought him in looks bad.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on May 7, 2007 12:46:43 GMT -6
The other part of the equation is his transcript. The awful truth is small quick guys like that are a dime a dozen in the recruiting world. BINGO. I have that conversation about once a week in the offseason. Here's my answer- D1 kids go D1, colleges pay coaches big bucks to scour the earth for talent...they will not overlook a good player. The reality is, like fbdoc says, that lil scat-backs like this guy are a dime a dozen. If you do not completely dominate your league or fit the size descriptions of d1 you can almost forget it... On the other hand, I always tell them that if they want to play college football, and they dedicate themselves to it, there is a home for them. D3, NAIA, even club ball... |
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Post by coachshawn on May 7, 2007 13:15:05 GMT -6
Thanks guys I'm learning a lot about the whole process just by talking to you. I don't have any experience in this situation but again this site always helps me. So what I will do is get him to a couple of camps this summer have him work to improve his forty time. I hope he will have a excellent senior year and I will let you guys know how everything pan out.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2007 14:31:37 GMT -6
It's kind of like this: a college coach isn't going to pay for what he thinks he can get for free. Once he has a list of the guys he has to pay for, he's going to get the one who offers the most complete package along with (and I think this is the ultimate key in recruiting) THE HIGHEST CEILING--i.e. who can BECOME the best player. A lot of high school players have great numbers, good size, speed, etc. but they are tapping the top of their ability. Colleges need the guy who's going to excel in 3-4 years. As good as a guy is in high school, he has to be better than that in 3 years and that is a big part of it.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 7, 2007 16:42:53 GMT -6
Coachd5085 maybe you reading to much into the message I am not fishing in someone elses pond. This kid is a relative that I'm trying to help. I knew I would get great advice from this site as to how I could possibly help him. Ok, relative....that makes more sense. I wasn't insinuating anything by talking about the pond, just saying that I would have treaded lightly about that type of thing without a reason (being a relative is a reason). Since he is a jr...you need to get all the info out on him now. You might get some nibbles and those guys will recruit him during the season. You are a head of the game. Had a player in the area with a very similar situation...and had he been on some radars as a Jr. he would have probably gotten a 1AA scholly. However, nothing was done during the year, and by the time the season ended it was too late. Schools really liked him, but they had been on their kids all year, and weren't going to drop one of them for the new guy. Also remember...recruiting is a nasty cutthroat experience. |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on May 7, 2007 17:29:45 GMT -6
Coachshawn,
I worked with many D-1 coaches at the prep school level, and I was told on multiple occasions that a kid needs to have a great junior year to get the coaches sniffing around. It's really hard to get a D-1 scholarship without some sort of recruiting going on his junior year. There are always exceptions, but personally watching over 60 kids go through the process, I can say this theory holds true.
I would venture to say that D1 and IAA is virtually out of the question, as is D2. If there are some DIII schools in the region, then there's a good possiblility he could find a home.
ANother point you brought up is that the HC "isn't helping" the kids get recruited...Irishblitzer mentioned that maybe there is something else going on- I HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE.
Had a DB who was a talented athlete, looked the part, but played like my little sister- just a little uncoachable sissy. He was harping the HC about getting highlight tapes and game film out to schools at midseason- the problem was that his film sucked! After much procrastination, I finally sat the kid down and went through six game films with him to make the highlight reel. As we watched he got the point- we had nothing to send the schools. He found out the hard way that all of that mail Maryland/NC State/BC was sending was really just junk mail.
The thing people need to realize is that all we have is our word. If I pump some kid up "oh he's a player/stud/what-have-you" and Al Groh gets film on him and he stinks, then it makes me look like an a$$ and could possibly ruin things for another kid. College coaches here it from everyone about how this kid can play there and mostly they can't...I would never lose my trust with a coach by lying about how good some kid is.
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Post by fbairattack on May 7, 2007 17:39:28 GMT -6
1) what has this kid done to get noticed himself? Attend any camps or combines? 2) coaches who do not help a kid often have good reasons not to- he may be lacking in other areas and his coach does not want to push this kid because of those reasons. 3) How will transferring help his cause? He'll be an unknown to his new coach who'd have a hard time promoting a kid he's never coached. I have to disagree with entire post...I feel that it is part of our job to help the kid if he wants to go on... 1) If a kid comes out, works hard, does what we ask of him then we should be willing to at least send out tapes for him. A lot of these kids and parents dont know how to do it themselves when it comes to getting noticed. 2) Lacking in other areas? Unless it is his grades, which there are places for a kid like that to go, why wouldnt you promote him and your program? At least point him in the right direction whatever that may be. ie JC, DIII, DII etc.. 3) If he transfers maybe the other coach would at least do more then the coach he is playing for now. NOW all that said.... Not every kid that wants to go play at XYZ University and start at tailback is capable and it is our job to help them realize that also. I am not saying that we need to spend countless hours making tapes and calling coaches for a kid that is clearly not capable but at least we can help him get realistic expectations. just my opinion |
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