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Post by eickst on Nov 14, 2007 18:53:25 GMT -6
For you guys with enough players to platoon, have you ever considered platooning multiple offense/defenses and changing them throughout the game?
For instance, have a DW platoon and a Spread platoon, or a wing t platoon and a zone platoon, and they practice on their own and have their own backups?
Just curious....You'd need a lot of kids and coaches I guess.
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Post by brophy on Nov 14, 2007 18:59:19 GMT -6
that would be a little ridiculous, wouldn't it?
Two different systems? There was a thing in the Industrial Revolution called "INTERCHANGEABLE PARTS"....it brought the advent of modern civilization
teach the same thing.........to the same kids.........no "lost in translation" errors
Platoon...........50 kids
11 offense + backups
11 defense + backups
the numbers you're looking at would require a 100 or so kids out ...........that would translate into a 7A school, I don't think there are any in the country that are 7A classification
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Post by eickst on Nov 14, 2007 19:16:37 GMT -6
It would be ridiculous, but would it be effective?
Imagine playing a team that could be a well coached and totally different offense in the second half?
Just a hypothetical situation I am talking about here.
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Post by brophy on Nov 14, 2007 19:22:45 GMT -6
niche.
Platooning works because of reps, specialization, and conditioning.
Games are won on execution. If you execute in the DW, Spread, Wing-T, Option-I, Flexbone, Wishbone, One back zone...you are going to increase your chances of winning...
Okay, so you'd say "the first half we'll try to win with the DW"
the 2nd half we'll try to win with the 5 wide.
Sounds great from afar, but the cost-benefit ratio would honestly be blown out of the water.
You really would need double the numbers and double the coaches. It is not a pragmatic idea
When you have that many numbers, you simply start another team.
Ideally, that is what you do at the Freshmen and lower levels. GET THE NUMBERS out, then specialize.
Now, in "good platooning" programs, you WILL have primary and secondary positions but the same scheme
(i.e. 1st half Johnny plays offense while Billy plays defense, 2nd half Billy plays offense, while Johnny plays defense....but its the same scheme).
What would be the benefit of running variosu "Systems"?
What is the Varsity running?
If you have 120 kids out for Varsity football, the community and the school board would form a new school.
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Post by captain31 on Nov 14, 2007 19:37:38 GMT -6
I'm not saying eickst's idea is feasible, but I saw a Wisconsin team on Saturday that had 98 guys listed on the varsity roster with only a few sophomores. In fact, they took the opposite approach from eickst. They are a split back team that gives the dive about 90% of the time.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 15, 2007 10:03:16 GMT -6
For you guys with enough players to platoon, have you ever considered platooning multiple offense/defenses and changing them throughout the game? For instance, have a DW platoon and a Spread platoon, or a wing t platoon and a zone platoon, and they practice on their own and have their own backups? Just curious....You'd need a lot of kids and coaches I guess. I have considered it. It would be awesome to have a core of receivers adn qb that did nothing but play pitch and catch all day every day...masters of the passing game... then have my core dw team...if things got out of control in comes the passing crew... |
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Post by eickst on Nov 15, 2007 12:01:29 GMT -6
Coach Calande, that is what I was alluding to.
Having a perfectly executed DW in the first half with all the right personnel for it, and a perfectly executed spread passing attack in the second half with the right personnel for it.
And with 98 kids on the roster, holy geez! You could definitely do it with that many.
Just a weird thought that popped into my head. Not saying I would ever do it....but....I don't have 98 kids on my roster.
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Post by k on Nov 15, 2007 12:37:32 GMT -6
Just a weird thought that popped into my head. Not saying I would ever do it....but....I don't have 98 kids on my roster. *Shrugs* We were a class "M" school (2nd smallest division at the time but one of the larger schools in that division) and we turned out 70+ kids in 10-12 plus another 25-30ish on the freshman team. My graduating class was 212. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me. That said in the DW / Spread idea I'd still want my best QB in there either time... |
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Post by gunslinger on Nov 15, 2007 13:19:19 GMT -6
When Lou Holtz was at Notre Dame, didn't he at some point have a group that he would send in on certain goal line/short yardage situations.
I'm not advocating an entirely new system/terminology but it would be quite possible to have a group come in for special situations.
People are already using two QB systems, rotating lineman, going from a base package to a 5-wide set, etc.
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