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Post by 7384729737 on Sept 17, 2007 18:57:57 GMT -6
I know I want to coach football, it is my passion, but I don't think I can teach. It's not that I'm not smart enough and it's not because I can't relate to kids. I just can't find anything that I can spend the rest of my life (the majority of my life) teaching. I play D. III ball now and I'm half way to my teaching degree but I just really don't want to teach. Any help on this would be appreciated. Thank you.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Sept 17, 2007 19:23:51 GMT -6
It'll be tough to coach and not be a teacher, but I'm sure there are plenty on this board who don't fit the mold. Personally, I began teaching so that I could coach, but happened to like doing both.
As for "not relating to kids" this may be a problem in coaching too...
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Post by 7384729737 on Sept 17, 2007 19:27:00 GMT -6
Oh no, I can relate to kids, I love coaching kids. I must have said that wrong in the first post but the only problem is finding something that I enjoy to teach.
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Post by airraider on Sept 17, 2007 20:43:30 GMT -6
Oh no, I can relate to kids, I love coaching kids. I must have said that wrong in the first post but the only problem is finding something that I enjoy to teach. I teach 6, 7, and 9th graders.. not much enjoyment there!! haha |
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Post by saintrad on Sept 17, 2007 20:55:58 GMT -6
i have been teaching for 3 yrs at the 8th grade level and love it! they are at a great age and are always full of surprises, yet predictable too. I have been coaching for 16 yrs and know the allure of not being a teacher (namely better$$$) but the headache of schedules etc isnt worth it. I have had the pleasure of teaching pre-AP English and History so it it always a challenge.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 17, 2007 21:02:09 GMT -6
twells---it is possible, and there are several on the board that do indeed work other jobs. HOWEVER, taking that pass will limit both your career opportunities, and your coaching opportunities. You will have to find a paying job that will work around your coaching schedule, and a team/ that will work around job schedule.
Generally (always exceptions I am sure) to be a Head Coach, you will have to be a teacher, and usually a teacher at that school (not just in the district)
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Post by dubber on Sept 17, 2007 21:03:45 GMT -6
I'm a young coach.......I can't stand parents!
Whenever you ask them if they want to hear the truth, and they say "yes", they really mean:
"Lie to me, tell me anything, just please don't tell me my kid is not very good at football"
I told them the truth----------it ended with them cussing at me as I was heading into the field house.
I'm going to coach college ball next season------forget teaching [in high school at least].
BTW, I was as subordinate a kid as ever there was, but no way would I tolerate my parents approaching a coach about my P.T.
If you wanna coach high school, you'll need to find a job that lets you off at three
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Post by Coach Huey on Sept 17, 2007 21:18:19 GMT -6
in texas, coaching is tied to teaching positions (for the most part)...
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Post by coachsky on Sept 18, 2007 8:11:42 GMT -6
I coach and don't teach. It can be pretty tough, especailly if you are in management or own a business. I also fight a commute back out to the burbs.
If you are hourly and get off eveyday at 2-2:30 it's not too bad.
THere are just a few non-teaching HC's in our state. Schools want HC in school. Most of the non teaching HC's own a business that they don't actively run, they are close to fulltime coaches.
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Post by coachcalande on Sept 18, 2007 9:09:22 GMT -6
Most of the coaches around here are teachers and schools most often prefer it that way. Its certainly not a hard and fast rule though. I think some schools prefer to be able to can a coach without keeping them around as a teacher a few years down the road...
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Post by hsrose on Sept 18, 2007 9:15:44 GMT -6
Our staff has 10 coaches at all 3 levels. None are teachers at the HS. 2 are on-campus and the HC is very close.
1 - HC has a personal fitness training business, makes his own hours, and his gym is 1 mile from school.
2 - Vice principal at the school. Time with team is limited
3 - On-campus security guy. Freshmen HC
4 - Teacher at the continuation/adult school, not on campus
5 - Food services supervisor for the school district
6 - Construction-type guy, Freshmen staff
7 - Me - software engineer, start work at 0530 and off at 2
8 - Just out of HS, attending local JC, Freshmen staff
9 - Food supply salesman
10 - Fish company driver - works nights so he gets up and comes to practice
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Post by wccoach on Sept 18, 2007 9:45:26 GMT -6
I am also a coach that has never been a teacher. I have coached for going on 24 years and have never had a problem with not being a teacher. I have been both a volunteer coach and a paid coach during this time. I started out at my alma mater while attending college and continued while developing my career in the business world. I had to carefully plan my career to allow the necessary time to continue coaching, but have been able to find a way to make it happen. I have never had the desire to be an academic teacher, but my passion for coaching football has been so strong that I cannot be happy without it. There are severe disadvantages to not being a teacher, but you can find a way to make it work. I am currently at an inner city school and we have a staff of 11 coaches in the program and only the HC is a teacher. The rest of us are guys like me that have regular jobs, but find a way to make it work. Many of the other area city schools have the same type of setup and some even have HC's that are not employed by the school except as a coach. I know that many of the parochial and private schools in our area use a large amount of coaches that are not teachers or otherwise employed by the school. I would contact some of the coaches in your area and find out what teams are hurting for coaches and volunteer to help out. You might find out that they will work with your schedule, and would be very grateful for some help.
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Post by gacoach on Sept 18, 2007 10:00:19 GMT -6
I've coached in South Carolina and now in Georgia. We have 11 guys on staff and all but 1 teach at the HS. The 11th is the former head coach who retired this year.
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Post by 7384729737 on Sept 18, 2007 10:02:39 GMT -6
That's what I'm about to do. I currently play at Emory and Henry but I'm looking to transfer to Virginia Tech next semester. I'm going to see if I can do anything to join Tech's staff. I'll wash their jock straps if I can get on. If not I will look to the local area schools. One that I really would like to join is Giles High School which is 30 minutes from the Tech campus. I'm sure some of you have heard of it. Their coach is Steve Ragsdale and they're known for their single wing. Just so happens my high school coach, Greg Mance, played for Ragsdale in the 80's and he could help get me in up there. There has even been talk about Mance taking over for him next year. Boy that would really work out.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 18, 2007 10:12:16 GMT -6
I teach elem. phys ed., our head coach works in a local school distirct(we are a private school), qb coach works at the post office, wr/db has his own business, we do have one coach in our building so it does happen and works out fine for us.
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Post by coachf on Sept 18, 2007 10:18:19 GMT -6
7th grade- best grade level I've ever taught at. HS kids are annoying in class. Lazy, apathetic - the same things that tick me off in practice. I don't want to deal with that in class and then again in practice.
I did teach 2nd grade at one point. That was a great age to work with. Unbelievable amount of prep time, though. I have noticed that the older the kids get, the lazier the teachers are. It almost mirrors the kids, themselves.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Sept 18, 2007 10:25:42 GMT -6
Our staff has 10 coaches at all 3 levels. None are teachers at the HS. 2 are on-campus and the HC is very close. 1 - HC has a personal fitness training business, makes his own hours, and his gym is 1 mile from school. 2 - Vice principal at the school. Time with team is limited 3 - On-campus security guy. Freshmen HC 4 - Teacher at the continuation/adult school, not on campus 5 - Food services supervisor for the school district 6 - Construction-type guy, Freshmen staff 7 - Me - software engineer, start work at 0530 and off at 2 8 - Just out of HS, attending local JC, Freshmen staff 9 - Food supply salesman 10 - Fish company driver - works nights so he gets up and comes to practice That's awesome that it works well for you guys! We have: HC- High school PE OL- High School History JV OL- Jeweler RB- Middle School SpEd WR/QB- Elem PE DC- Middle School PE LB- High School History JV LB- Independent Contractor Secondary- High School PE JV Secondary- Factory worker 3rd shift Works well, but the non-teacher's commitments are definitely limited due to there work. |
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Post by banditgsk on Sept 18, 2007 10:35:24 GMT -6
I work at a major pharmaceutical company and volunteer coach. Practice starts between 3:30 and 4:00 PM EST with stretching and warm-ups which I miss; I arrive around 4:30 and coach defensive ends and d-line; practice over around 6 or so. I miss some things, but try to attend everything as much as I can. On Friday nights, so far, I am in the press box relaying things down to HC and def. coordinator. The hardest thing at the first of the season was learning all the kids names. I suggested putting tape on helmets, but idea didn't catch on since most of the other coaches teach at the school and knew all the kids. I love football and coaching so much that I miss seeing my own son's game on Friday nights as he attends a different high school than where I coach.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 10:51:53 GMT -6
I taught for 5 years while coaching--and knew I wasn't doing as good of a job with either as I should. So I run a little side business that's sports related and I sub in the district (and usually just the school) where I'm the DC. So I'm around the kids every day, everyone in the school knows me, I don't have lesson plans and grading to do, and if I really need to take a day away to work on things I can.
Pretty good deal.
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Post by coachmathis on Sept 18, 2007 11:18:57 GMT -6
It is possible in Texas at private schools for sure because the majority of the coaches are part-time.
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Post by kdcoach on Sept 19, 2007 7:11:38 GMT -6
I'm also a H.C. and not a teacher or otherwise employed by the school. I own a consulting business that allows me to work when I'm not coaching. Not being a teacher has both advantages and disadvantages. I don't get caught up in the politics of the school district which is an obvious positive, but I also don't get to see the kids except at practice and in the weight room in the offseason. Additionally I don't get to "recruit" in the hallways of the school, which I think is one of the big advantages of working in the school itself.
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