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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Feb 26, 2006 11:17:25 GMT -6
How many of you at one time or another were involved in "initiations"? I for one was involve in some of these tatics and never thought about them until my wife brought it to my attention that is was a form of "hazing".
My question is, does it happen at your school and is it over looked as harmless fun in a "boys will be boys" attitude.
What would you do if you were a head coach and caught some of your players doing these types of things.
Back in the day I would have laughed and been, "boys will be boys" but nowadays I would incorporate some type of punishment.
do you have any types of policies or team rules addressing these types of issues?
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Post by airman on Feb 26, 2006 11:36:01 GMT -6
How many of you at one time or another were involved in "initiations"? I for one was involve in some of these tatics and never thought about them until my wife brought it to my attention that is was a form of "hazing". My question is, does it happen at your school and is it over looked as harmless fun in a "boys will be boys" attitude. What would you do if you were a head coach and caught some of your players doing these types of things. Back in the day I would have laughed and been, "boys will be boys" but nowadays I would incorporate some type of punishment. do you have any types of policies or team rules addressing these types of issues? i know a school which lost half their football team as a result of violations of the schools anit hazing law. there is a book called 1001 positive traditions might be worth investing in. |
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Feb 26, 2006 21:23:19 GMT -6
airman, who is the author and where can I get it?
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Post by aztec on Feb 26, 2006 22:10:54 GMT -6
We don't have initiations. We have had guy try to do dumb stuff and after bear crawling around the track they ended. We had a case here in CA where a kicker was putting his Ba@@ Sa@# on guys foreheads (talk about weird). He was kicked off the team (mind you this was all during the playoffs) and his parents tried sueing the school district and coaches saying they knew about it. We don't like older guys picking on the younger guys or do we want it. We don't mind if the frosh guys have to put up extra weights at clean up time but never want guys to feel scared . Our JV guys mostly soph are up with us and run all of the scout team stuff and that is initiation enough.
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Post by knighter on Feb 27, 2006 9:43:44 GMT -6
Freshmen Initiation
All rookies (freshmen, guys who are out for 1st time, and new coaches)
Have to sing and do I'm A Little Teapot routine at Coronation...I as new head coach in 2000 had to lead it. We devote 15 minutes of practice time to it on the day or Coronation. Upperclassmen teach us how it should look. Has been a huge hit, and it has eliminated any thing else for the most part.
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Post by Coach Dingus on Feb 27, 2006 10:01:44 GMT -6
I got initiated when I was a sophmore because freshman were at the junior high. I was buddies with the upperclassmen so I didnt get it bad. we were watching film at a seniors house the night before the playoffs they turned off the lights picked me up and all 9 of them drug me outside in 30 degree weather the fattest lineman sat on me and they stole my britches and ran inside and locked the door.
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Feb 27, 2006 10:31:38 GMT -6
needless to say all now suffer from PTSD.
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Post by knighter on Feb 27, 2006 14:25:37 GMT -6
by the way from days at uni when i was a rookie
i still can name every player i was on the team with in 1991
i can still name hometowns of over half
i can still sing the iowa corn song and do the dance
i can still sing the uni fight song
of course in order to get me to sing you need to bang chairs on the floor...LOL
And I will never forget feeding CB (all american, and future NY Giant) Willie Beamon rainbow sherbet ice cream one color at a time. He was a good guy. Always treated the rookies well.
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Post by airman on Feb 27, 2006 18:17:39 GMT -6
We don't have initiations. We have had guy try to do dumb stuff and after bear crawling around the track they ended. We had a case here in CA where a kicker was putting his Ba@@ Sa@# on guys foreheads (talk about weird). He was kicked off the team (mind you this was all during the playoffs) and his parents tried sueing the school district and coaches saying they knew about it. We don't like older guys picking on the younger guys or do we want it. We don't mind if the frosh guys have to put up extra weights at clean up time but never want guys to feel scared . Our JV guys mostly soph are up with us and run all of the scout team stuff and that is initiation enough. coach, that kicker was tea bagging. a bunch of wrestlers at a illinois h.s. got in trouble this winter for tea bagging each other. |
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Post by sls on Feb 27, 2006 18:23:39 GMT -6
Hazing is against the law in most states. I believe the differnce between hazing and initiating is how it is led. For instance if an upperclassmen leads the singing there is nothing wrong, but if just the newcomers were forced to do it could be interuppted as hazing.
this was how it was explained in a sports law class I took.
Can anybody add anything or clarify the definition between the 2?
I interviewed for a job once where the previous coach had been fired for "letting" his upper classmen urinate onm the fosh in the shower.
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If quitters never win, and winners never quit. Who is the fool who said quit while your ahead?
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Post by scox80 on Feb 27, 2006 22:05:39 GMT -6
We don't let any of that go on. Our first year there, there was some remnance of the last guy who was there who allowed. We had an instance where a Senior took a freshmans cleats and his them so he couldn't have them for practice, we made him do what we call "Eagle Reminders" (are mascot is the Eagle) which are 5 up downs every 5 yard marker including both goal lines. It never happened again.
As far as the freshman or JV doing more work than the varsity.....we don't stand for that either. Varsity captains are responsible for "Leading" or cleaning up and making sure everything gets out to the field. Our idea of it is everyone earns to be part of the program by coming out and working their tails off everyday. And the captains are held in the highest respect and are expected to lead by example!
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Post by Coach Dingus on Feb 28, 2006 0:52:11 GMT -6
We don't let any of that go on. Our first year there, there was some remnance of the last guy who was there who allowed. We had an instance where a Senior took a freshmans cleats and his them so he couldn't have them for practice, we made him do what we call "Eagle Reminders" (are mascot is the Eagle) which are 5 up downs every 5 yard marker including both goal lines. It never happened again. As far as the freshman or JV doing more work than the varsity.....we don't stand for that either. Varsity captains are responsible for "Leading" or cleaning up and making sure everything gets out to the field. Our idea of it is everyone earns to be part of the program by coming out and working their tails off everyday. And the captains are held in the highest respect and are expected to lead by example! Hey we did those in high school 200 yds was jst one and we had to do 5 of them. |
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Mar 1, 2006 11:29:45 GMT -6
does anyone have any good ideas for a "initiation into the program"?
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Post by bulldog on Mar 1, 2006 14:10:20 GMT -6
Having been in the Marines and having joined a 'local' fraternity that had hazing down to a science, I personally would not allow hazing or even an initiation. Of course, I am in CA, where we have more lawyers and stupid parents than molecules of air. (We have local parent(s) suing to remove 'under God' from the pledge of allegiance, the words in 'God we trust' from our money, all 'religious' symbols from our public buildings, renaming 'manhole covers' to 'peoplehole covers', and we just stopped executions because our supreme court requires a doctor to administer lethal injections to make sure the convicts don't suffer as they die. The AMA will pull the license of any doctor giving a lethal injection).
Something like a talent contest with the coaches as judges might go-over well. Instead of requiring only certain players to participate, you mght do it for the entire group and group the players by position and make them responsible for a skit. Have a reward for the winners - excuse them from conditioning for a day. Film the session and include it in your video yearbook.
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