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Post by coachbdud on Feb 28, 2008 21:09:32 GMT -6
HC had an idea that he wants to put in place for this upcoming year. Have a set list of tests each player must pass in order to come out to spring ball. A list of 5-10 things hat each player must accomplish
Does anybody else do this?
What do you test?
Mile time for skills/line?
pushups??
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Post by tog on Feb 28, 2008 21:14:08 GMT -6
how about let them all come out for spring ball
then find out who can play or not?
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Post by ajreaper on Feb 28, 2008 21:19:15 GMT -6
how about let them all come out for spring ball then find out who can play or not? Thinking the same thing- you want milers or football players? |
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Post by dubber on Feb 28, 2008 21:24:13 GMT -6
how about let them all come out for spring ball then find out who can play or not? beat me to it. Perhaps attendance in off-season conditioning is the only criteria for not letting someone play (you can have the ole "unless you make up the work" clause) WARNING! WARNING! COACH DUB IS ABOUT TO TELL A "BACK IN MY DAY" STORY! WARNING! WARNING!Everybody say the first words with me: "Back in my day, I...." I couldn't run the mile below 8 minutes, but I could lead the team during sprints. Kids don't fit in cookie cutter molds......in fact, there is no "average" kid. If you best WR is 6'5'' 275 and runs a 5.2, play him at WR If your best TE is 5'7'' 165, play him at TE If your best OL guy runs a 15:00 mile, but is always whipping people's arses, play him. After mindless ranting, here's my response: 1. Attendance 2. Ability That should tell you who is starting. |
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 28, 2008 21:30:21 GMT -6
our problem is that we cant get much offseason participation in terms of hitting the weight room, but we can not make attendance mandatory by law. A lot of our kids do play other sports but we have some kids who dont show up and dont do anything. We can have tryout criteria for them to be on varsity, this will force some of the lazy kids to either get in shape enough to pass tests, or not play
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Post by ajreaper on Feb 28, 2008 21:38:22 GMT -6
You can however cut or not play the lazy turds- do it for a season or two and the point is made.
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Post by warrior53 on Feb 29, 2008 4:44:45 GMT -6
Careful here boys! Don't let your pride get in the way of forcing out a good player, because he can't make after-school workouts. Don't make a rule you can't back up!
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Post by buchananm on Feb 29, 2008 6:23:58 GMT -6
I agree with you warrior53. We all want 100% offseason participation but be very careful. Maybe a question that you need to ask as well: Will my Principal back me up if I let kids go because of their offseason attendance or because they didn't score so well on a made up test given by the coaches?
Make sure you get the OK from your principal and have him/her look over the test before you start.
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Post by spartancoach on Feb 29, 2008 11:01:06 GMT -6
I my mind the only criteria to play football is to show up. What, and how much, you do is whatever you earn once you are there.
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Post by ajreaper on Feb 29, 2008 12:41:44 GMT -6
Careful here boys! Don't let your pride get in the way of forcing out a good player, because he can't make after-school workouts. Don't make a rule you can't back up! 99% of them can make it it's just easier to make an excuse then it is to be there. The 1% who truly cannot will come in and visit with you and be open to whatever compromises can be arranged so that the needs of the program and the kid are met. It's very rare a satisfactory compromise cannot be found. "The first step is LETTING THEM COME OUT so that you can build upon that interest...plant the seed, water it and feed it." I agree completely with this statement for 9th and 10th graders but when you are looking at your last two years of high school ball you are either 100% committed or you need to find something else to do. Those flickering lights who's interest peaks when the season approaches will hurt you more then help you every time. |
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 29, 2008 13:10:08 GMT -6
Having coached in a small school I never had the luxury of turning kids away. If a kid decided he was "alergic to iron" and never came in the wt room he still got a pair of shoulder pads and a helmet come August. Sometimes the boy was even one of our better players........which tells you how bad we were that a kid who did nothing all summer could come in and be one of our best.
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Post by tribepride on Feb 29, 2008 13:44:01 GMT -6
We are in the same boat as groundchuck....really low numbers so we can't turn kids away if they don't want to be in the weight room or whatever other things they should be doing. If we were to make examples of them we have about 10 kids on the team. Some kids are lazy and can help you out. I have no problem with that as long as they put the time in when we can require them to be present. I know they could be better and the team could be better but if we drove them away we wouldn't have a team!
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 29, 2008 14:27:32 GMT -6
It's kind of like the old "don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" saying.
Something I did one season was took all the kids with the best (unofficial of course) attendance at the wt room, camps, 7on7 and put them on the first team to open practice. Basically I said you guys worked hard all summer so the job is yours to lose. Everyone else who didn't work hard this summer you still have to prove what you can do. Some kids stepped up. Mostly though the cream rises to the top and the kid who can make plays works himself back into the lineup once the pads go on. But I did have a couple kids who literally made themselves in the wt room go on to beat out more talented lazy kids b/c of thier work ethic and I could trust them not to make mistakes.
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Post by rideanddecide on Mar 1, 2008 16:02:54 GMT -6
We finally made the move this year to say "If you don't want to be a part of this thing then don't show up in August." We will lose a few kids this year that would make us better, but I firmly believe we will be a better program for it in the long run. This was the first year (i've been HC for 3) that we can finally say this and have a shot at a winning record.
Change takes time, but it can happen.
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Post by touchdowng on Mar 1, 2008 17:25:59 GMT -6
I agree with reaper.
Don't build too many barriers. Get them out when they are young. Let them experience what your program has to offer and let them go through a period of adjustment (9th and 10th grade).
By then, they should be committed. If not, have that meaningful talk and show them there are other things they could commit to. Football isn't for everyone and a varsity FB team needs no pretenders.
As far as varsity criteria? You can do whatever you want but you will have to live with your choices and all of the unintended consequences. Just think it through and have some flexibility for those special circumstances.
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