kazar54
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Post by kazar54 on Jun 17, 2015 10:02:50 GMT -6
Coach Huey Board Members,
My name is Jason Kazar and I live in Kansas where I am a high school teacher and coach. I wanted to reach out to you all about a request to look into what schools across the country, both high school and colleges, do to keep track of accountability of their players in some sort of point system. We are having some players on our team who are choosing to make wrong decisions when it comes to either being tardy to class, getting put in In School Suspension (ISS), getting caught with drugs or drug paraphernalia, or getting caught violating some of our team values. Instead of trying to reinvent the wheel to come up with a grading system of some kind where we would award points to players who are doing the right thing and take points away when a player decides to do the wrong thing. A certain point value would then have consequences whether that is punishment running, not suiting up for a game, or perhaps not playing that week. I was hoping with the followers of this board I might be able to find a high school or college who has been implementing this for some time and has worked out all the kinks to it. I also figured a lot of other schools across the country would like to see what has been successful at other schools so as to implement themselves as I am sure a lot of schools have similar issues. Can anyone help out with this or perhaps know someone who has already done a study of some kind already on this and would be willing to share? Any information would be greatly appreciated. With over 194,000 threads I don't have the time to search through them all to find something.
Sincerely,
Jason Kazar
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 17, 2015 12:05:31 GMT -6
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Post by dubber on Jun 17, 2015 18:50:07 GMT -6
The idea is that tracking this changes behavior?
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 17, 2015 21:40:21 GMT -6
The idea is that tracking this changes behavior? i don't know OPs goal and idea I put this system in here and it improved our off season for whatever reason "spring ball" is the highlight of every kid's life... we get a TON of kids out for spring ball... every kid who has ever played football in PE wants to come out in spring... we only have so many real football players i wanted to get rid of the ones who end up quitting or not making grades anyway... and i wanted the kids i know are actual players, be more consistent in the off season you can't make things "mandatory" i cant cut a kid for not coming in the off season so i simply said, ok you need to make it this many days in the off season if you do not, you will make up the conditioning work that was missed 1 point = 1 mile you can join the rest of the kids when you get enough points first year we had a ton of kids out there... some lazy, some freshly decided they wanted to play, some wanted to call my bluff they lived on the track hated it the losers stopped coming the real players decided this sucked, and were there in the off season the following year the next season... way less kids "running for points" and this year i did not even need to have kids run off points because about 99% either played other sports or were committed to the weight room it was more the fact that i held them accountable, than just tracking it but it was something that had not been done before i got here |
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Post by funkfriss on Jun 18, 2015 9:41:58 GMT -6
Coach Huey Board Members, My name is Jason Kazar and I live in Kansas where I am a high school teacher and coach. I wanted to reach out to you all about a request to look into what schools across the country, both high school and colleges, do to keep track of accountability of their players in some sort of point system. We are having some players on our team who are choosing to make wrong decisions when it comes to either being tardy to class, getting put in In School Suspension (ISS), getting caught with drugs or drug paraphernalia, or getting caught violating some of our team values. Instead of trying to reinvent the wheel to come up with a grading system of some kind where we would award points to players who are doing the right thing and take points away when a player decides to do the wrong thing. A certain point value would then have consequences whether that is punishment running, not suiting up for a game, or perhaps not playing that week. I was hoping with the followers of this board I might be able to find a high school or college who has been implementing this for some time and has worked out all the kinks to it. I also figured a lot of other schools across the country would like to see what has been successful at other schools so as to implement themselves as I am sure a lot of schools have similar issues. Can anyone help out with this or perhaps know someone who has already done a study of some kind already on this and would be willing to share? Any information would be greatly appreciated. With over 194,000 threads I don't have the time to search through them all to find something. Sincerely, Jason Kazar I personally would get rid of any negative points. If you want to change behavior focus on the positives, not the negatives. I know it sounds cliche and "liberal" but it's backed by psychology research. So, find out ways to reward the positive behavior first. I personally wouldn't want to go around checking attendance records and awarding points for being on time/there, but what we have done is give points for As and Bs on tests and quizzes. Attendance and grades have a positive correlation, so maybe you could use that as well. There are two books that I always recommend to coaches. I think they will be of great assistance to you and really change the way you look at your players (especially the "lazy" ones). Good to Great by Jim Collins Switch: How to change things when change is hard by Chip and Dan Heath |
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Post by blackknight on Jun 18, 2015 11:31:26 GMT -6
We had a point system to be allowed to suit for the first game. They needed 5 out of 7 possible points to suit. If they had 4 they did not suit for our first game. If they had 3 they missed the first 2 games, etc. We had one kid miss the first 5 games because he did not have any points. Here are the 7 possible points:
1) Spring Weight Training class
2) Fall Weight Training class
3) Spring Footbal (70% attendance)
4) Summer work-outs (70% attendance)
5) Football Camp
6) play a 2nd sport
7) play a 3rd sport
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kazar54
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Post by kazar54 on Jun 18, 2015 12:22:42 GMT -6
coachbdud Thanks for the links, your blog post was great and I will be sharing that with our other coaches on the staff. dubber I would say by being able to track these items and put a point value in front of them they can see how they are doing and what others are doing. We can then also have a solid number based on criteria we can show to parents or admin if a question arises about a kid. funkfriss Getting rid of negative points is an interesting idea and I understand your point. I figured by them seeing for that tardy in class or D you have for the week you see a negative value. I guess we could change that and say if you have a C or higher you get a point and below you don't. blackknight Thanks for your comments as well, we will discuss all these recommendations as a staff.
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Post by windigo on Jun 26, 2015 10:53:30 GMT -6
For awhile when I ran the offseason I used the same point system my college used.
You have to have 90 out of 100 possible points to play in a game. Points could be earned in a variety of ways, weight room, study zone, 7 on 7 attendance, community service events we had. Some of these counted towards the 100 possible some like community service were considered extra credit.
During training camp there would be plenty of extra training available to make the 90 but trust me you wanted to earn it before then.
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kazar54
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Post by kazar54 on Jun 27, 2015 19:31:06 GMT -6
windigo Thanks for the response coach, any chance you have some documentation on that so I can take a look? To everyone reading this: I did email Mike Kuchar at XandO Labs and he brought up Coach Rileys Four Quarters Club at Oregon State as well as a program by Coach Edsall at Maryland that he brought from his days at UCONN. I reached out to some of the assistant coaches there to ask about it so I am anxious to see what they say. Anyone on this board know about either of these programs and the systems they have in place?
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Post by windigo on Jun 30, 2015 17:03:38 GMT -6
windigo Thanks for the response coach, any chance you have some documentation on that so I can take a look? To everyone reading this: I did email Mike Kuchar at XandO Labs and he brought up Coach Rileys Four Quarters Club at Oregon State as well as a program by Coach Edsall at Maryland that he brought from his days at UCONN. I reached out to some of the assistant coaches there to ask about it so I am anxious to see what they say. Anyone on this board know about either of these programs and the systems they have in place? No long since gone its been a long time since I ran the off-season weight room. The idea is simple enough to implement though. Just look at your calendar and see the number of training days you will have. Divide 100 by that number. |
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kazar54
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Post by kazar54 on Aug 2, 2015 12:20:09 GMT -6
Thanks to all the coaches who have replied back to this post throughout the summer. Anyone else have anything they would like to add before we get started back up with school?
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kazar54
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Post by kazar54 on Nov 2, 2015 20:57:31 GMT -6
Coaches, As the regular season winds down for many teams I wanted to start getting some stuff together for this upcoming off season. I have taken notes on all the comments already given but I am hoping there are some other coaches out there that might want to contribute to this post and give more ideas on what ways we can motivate our athletes to go to class, get good grades, stay away from drugs, and be involved with other sports so as to help sharpen their minds and bodies to be great...on and off the field. Harder to do this without the carrot hanging out in front of them during the football season.
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Post by nabber on Nov 3, 2015 12:10:10 GMT -6
kazar54,
I bet you are at a big school in Kansas judging by the info you mention? Lawrence perhaps? I think it all depends on the kids at your school. It sounds like you are trying to manage a lot of athletes. That's a good problem to have. I coach at a small school in Arizona and we don't have the luxury of picking and choosing who plays based on such criteria. Serious stuff like drugs we follow school policy. Other things I simply try to encourage good behavior and punish bad. Knew a coach that used to say "only thing that motivates kids is the fear of more work!" Plus, it sounds like a lot of work for your coaches unless you have a guy on staff that loves to take on as much as possible. I used to be on a staff like that, that guy was crazy with all he did! I do see lots of good ideas here and will be following the thread. Good luck with your project!
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Post by chi5hi on Nov 4, 2015 6:09:10 GMT -6
You use either a merit system, or a demerit system. I think merits are better. The guys get in competition with each other.
There is a sign-in sheet it the weight room with an accompanying sign-in for field drills.
There is a tracking sheet for lifting progress at the weight stations.
Before you knock on my office door...you get a haircut.
If you want to wear earrings, necklaces, or body piercings, you also wear pink panties.
Anyone who drops below a 2.0 in ANY one class forfeits a game participation.
The school regulations are paramount in rating deportment.
That is the limit of what I do.
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Post by cqmiller on Nov 4, 2015 12:26:36 GMT -6
I used to use a system when I was a HC where they earned points for offseason attendance, earned points for GPA at each quarter, earned points for all the stuff we want them to do. Teams got to skip conditioning if they were the highest point earner for a half-quarter, or we would buy pizza for teams above a certain number of points.
Jersey # selection was always based on these points as well
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