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Post by phantom on Jul 15, 2007 18:37:08 GMT -6
So, if a coach yells his plays to his huddle, I have a duty to tell my kids not to listen?
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Post by airman on Jul 16, 2007 13:30:13 GMT -6
So, if a coach yells his plays to his huddle, I have a duty to tell my kids not to listen? see this is where people are taking me wrong. FOR ME IT WOULD BE WRONG, for you, it could be write. This is the total basis for moral relativism. DO WHAT YOU FEEL IS RIGHT. however it most not be right for some if they have to question it.
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Post by wildcat on Jul 16, 2007 14:24:45 GMT -6
II figured you would try that argument and I totally disagree with you. In my opinion, it is the exact same thing. You look for anything within the rules that can give you an advantage. Just like viewing players on a videotape, if the coaches on the sideline or up in the box are doing something to tip their hand, you are being foolish to not take advantage. Nothing unethical about that. so if you give me your pin number/credit card number and I go on a shopping spree you are going to pay the bill right? no you are going to be {censored} as hell because I took advantage of you. I think the same applies to the sport you coach. I realize in the post modern, moral realtive society we live in you can justify any thing. for me I would be wrong to do. for you it might be the right thing to do. I just know for me it would not be a very good victory party. colt - You have got to be kidding me, right? Why would I tell you my pin number knowingly? Under what circumstances would I do that? Now, if you gained my pin number surreptitiously (found it in my garbage, gained it through Internet, mail, or phone fraud, etc, etc), there are CLEARLY laws against that and the state police and possibly federal law enforcement would probably invite you in for a little chat. This is clearly NOT the case here...as a coach, I have done NOTHING illegal or against the rules of the game or the rules of ethics to gain an advantage. Managing your own players and coaches is hard enough...it is not my job to manage the other team's players and coaches. This has nothing to do with "moral relativism" or "if it feels good, do it"...I DO understand where you are coming from and I also understand that there are unwritten rules and mores of the game that are expected to be exhibited by coaches, but this is NOT one of the places where that applies...if the other guys are doing something to tip me off to their tendencies and I am not doing anything unethical or against the rules of the game to aquire that information, I have no responsibility to them. In fact, I would go as far to say "shame on them", not "shame on me".
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Post by khalfie on Jul 16, 2007 14:58:10 GMT -6
Hill larry Us!
According to your logic, Airman...
You are just as morally obligated to tell your opponent your plays!... I mean, it would n't be fair, if you kept trapping that 3 tech, that due to bad coaching, hasn't been taught to not charge straight upfield.
You are obligated to tell the coach, when you are going to run that counter boot pass, on that over pursuing DE... how could you call that play in good conscience, knowing its only going to work because the DE isn't doing his job... you have to tell somebody... that's the rule, right?
And I better see you calling time out, when the defense isn't aligned properly, and has some of your WR's uncovered... how could you take advantage of such a morally unsound advantage?
I think Airman's right... if the other coaches aren't doing their job, its our job to teach them and not beat them... because its all about the kids man... the kids!
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Post by airman on Jul 17, 2007 11:13:36 GMT -6
Hill larry Us! According to your logic, Airman... You are just as morally obligated to tell your opponent your plays!... I mean, it would n't be fair, if you kept trapping that 3 tech, that due to bad coaching, hasn't been taught to not charge straight upfield. You are obligated to tell the coach, when you are going to run that counter boot pass, on that over pursuing DE... how could you call that play in good conscience, knowing its only going to work because the DE isn't doing his job... you have to tell somebody... that's the rule, right? And I better see you calling time out, when the defense isn't aligned properly, and has some of your WR's uncovered... how could you take advantage of such a morally unsound advantage? I think Airman's right... if the other coaches aren't doing their job, its our job to teach them and not beat them... because its all about the kids man... the kids! where do you get that twisted logic. I never said it was your duty to tell the other team your plays. FOR ME I would just kindly say guys I think you need to be more quite when you are calling your plays cause I do not want to win by hearing them or be tempted to listen to them. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS FOR ME. WHAT THE REST OF YOU DO IS YOUR BUSINESS. better to lose with honor then to win with shame.
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 17, 2007 20:40:58 GMT -6
Airman, I hear you when you say that "THIS IS FOR ME. WHAT THE REST OF YOU DO IS YOUR BUSINESS." Thats what this board is all about. But...
when you use phrases like "better to lose with honor then to win with shame" and casually toss out terms like "moral relativism" and "in the post modern, moral realtive society" it appears to me you are taking a turn down the holier than thou path. It's certainly your right, but I would request that you answer the football questions within football language and leave the moral typing for another site.
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