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Post by spos21ram on Nov 26, 2007 21:42:29 GMT -6
Right next door in CT they have a state wide rule where if a team wins by 50 or more points the coach of the winning team gets suspended for a game and could receive harsher penalties if done more than once. This rule has been in place now for a couple years and I think it does more harm than good for the players and schools. We had an issue a few towns over where a team was winning 51-0 and just scored by a safety. On the ensuing kickoff the KR of the winning team caught the ball and ran out of his own endzone to make it 51-2. The Refs called the game at halftime because neither coach wanted to play a game like that.
Any other states have similiar restrictions and penalties for coaches?
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Post by Coach Goodnight on Nov 26, 2007 21:46:23 GMT -6
I know in Oklahoma they have a 45 rule in 8 man football, where the game is ended if one team is 45 points ahead of the other team. There are no penalties for this, the exception to the rule is that they have to at least play a half!
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 26, 2007 21:57:48 GMT -6
In Pennsylvania, the "mercy rule" that states if one team leads by 35 points or more in the second half, the clock doesn't stop, except after a score. There is no penalty for the leading team/coach.
Jeannette (QB is Terrelle Pryor, arguably top recruit in the nation) has mercy-ruled every team this year except one, including the playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2007 21:59:40 GMT -6
IL has the same as PA, only it takes effect with a 40 point lead.
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Post by k on Nov 26, 2007 22:11:15 GMT -6
Right next door in CT they have a state wide rule where if a team wins by 50 or more points the coach of the winning team gets suspended for a game and could receive harsher penalties if done more than once. It is a total crock. My alma mater broke the 50 point rule against a friend of mine's little brother's team. He is a sophomore and was playing in the varsity game cause they were down by like 50 points when my alma mater starting taking knees and running out of bounds when they had the long run broken (with their third string). He said it was insulting to have to play like that and it would have been better to lose by 100 than to have my alma mater take three knees and punt the ball. Additionally the team I coach for lost a pair of games by 40+ points and in those cases the other team did just what they should have done put in their scrubs keeping the score close. That is sportsmanship not any of this take three knees and punt crap. The rule is designed to "promote sportsmanship" but it does the direct opposite and it takes away valuable playing time for underclassmen and seniors who otherwise would never play... Horrible rule put in place by a bunch of people who have no doubt never played a down in their lives. |
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Post by gunslinger on Nov 27, 2007 8:17:08 GMT -6
In Arkansas the clock doesn't stop after a team is up by 35 points...no penalty for the coach.
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Post by cmow5 on Nov 27, 2007 10:12:31 GMT -6
I agree with you "K" this is a stupid rule. I don't agree with running the score up, but let the kids play. Both the winning team and the losing can benefit from playing the kids that don't get to play alot. Also, once again football can teach kids a valuable life lesson. I know almost all of us have been through times in our life where it felt like we were down by 50+ points (car broke down, hit a deer, kids need braces, lost a job, lost someone close) and wish there was a mercy rule, but you just keep doing what your suppose to do, work harder then ever and prey for the best situation.
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Post by CVBears on Nov 27, 2007 12:05:49 GMT -6
we have more of a gentlemen's agreement. If it is obviously in one teams favor, ref will ask both coaches for a running clock. I've never seen it happen for a spread less than 40 Even at 35 points, both teams usually want their subs to get their time.
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 27, 2007 12:19:10 GMT -6
40 kinda seems to be the magic number.
After a 40 point lead in football refs ask losing team if they dont mind running clock, usually they say yes just to end the pain quicker. In Basketball in CA it is a rule that with a 40 point lead in the 4th quarter it is a running clock except for fouls and TOs
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Post by wingt74 on Nov 27, 2007 12:41:27 GMT -6
we have more of a gentlemen's agreement. If it is obviously in one teams favor, ref will ask both coaches for a running clock. I've never seen it happen for a spread less than 40 Even at 35 points, both teams usually want their subs to get their time. Right, I still can't believe that any winning team, doesn't have that 1 kid they can hand the ball off to, who gets reps in practice, knows a few plays, but just doesn't get the playing time. I have a game this year where I was up 14-0 half way through the first period. The game as already over. I had an entire 2nd team O and D in there...and only gave the ball to backups who had little chance of busting a big run. End result? We finished the game 28-0. 3 1/2 quarters of hard fought football where all the kids got plenty of playing time. Our kill rule is 22 pts I believe...where the clock runs. When we drove for that 4th TD in the 3rd quarter...well, the refs saw what was going on and were nice enough to continue without the kill rule. That's what it is all about. |
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 27, 2007 12:49:27 GMT -6
we have more of a gentlemen's agreement. If it is obviously in one teams favor, ref will ask both coaches for a running clock. I've never seen it happen for a spread less than 40 Even at 35 points, both teams usually want their subs to get their time. Right, I still can't believe that any winning team, doesn't have that 1 kid they can hand the ball off to, who gets reps in practice, knows a few plays, but just doesn't get the playing time. I have a game this year where I was up 14-0 half way through the first period. The game as already over. I had an entire 2nd team O and D in there...and only gave the ball to backups who had little chance of busting a big run. End result? We finished the game 28-0. 3 1/2 quarters of hard fought football where all the kids got plenty of playing time. Our kill rule is 22 pts I believe...where the clock runs. When we drove for that 4th TD in the 3rd quarter...well, the refs saw what was going on and were nice enough to continue without the kill rule. That's what it is all about. One thing I don't like is taking the starters out and putting the JV in too early. I don't think I would ever put the JV in before halftime. I would sub in Seniors but not the JV. My reasoning is that the starters have practiced all week to play this one game. They have waited their high school career to start and play varsity not to play just a quarter. The JV have their own games. I just dont think it's fair to the upper classmen that they work hard all week and for what? A quarter of playing time? |
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Post by tackle on Nov 27, 2007 13:51:29 GMT -6
I have been on the lossing end of the mercy rule. League alignments gave us a team for a preseason game that we had no chance at beating. We prepared like any other game. They smashed us like expected. Running clock in the second half shortened the game and we got very few chances to run our offence. It was a wasted week. We practiced for an ass kicking and then didnt get any gametime out of it. I used my timeouts to stop the clock and the refs got mad. We were being dominated by a superior team, which was a great chance for my kids to get better.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 27, 2007 15:28:58 GMT -6
If my team was up 35-0 with 10 minutes to go in the 4th quarter and I had just put my backups in would you be upset as the opposing coach if I threw some passes with my backups?
As a coach I put my backups in for two reasons. 1st because the game is getting out of hand but also to give my backups some work. What good is it to put them in if they arn't going to run the offense they are taught? I don't see them getting anything out of just running FB dive just so the clock will run out. I want the backups to actually learn and get the feel of a real varsity game and run the offense they will be running.
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