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Post by mbkcoach on Feb 17, 2006 9:41:00 GMT -6
I had an assistant tell me that his head coach calls the dogs off when they are up by 21. Another head coach told me 50 points up is when he calls the dogs off. I had another tell me that he tries to score as many as possible in the 1st half after that he might think about it? What are your beliefs on this?
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Post by coachpeterson on Feb 17, 2006 9:48:59 GMT -6
No way at 21, that's too close, too many things could happen. I'd say running clock (which is a 35 point lead for us) is about right, definitely after one more score past that.
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 17, 2006 9:50:47 GMT -6
30 plus in the 2nd half, unless I know that we could beat a team by 60 or more if i don't pull the starters earlier
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Post by sls on Feb 17, 2006 9:50:50 GMT -6
As many as I can in the first half and one series with the starters in the 2nd if I am up by more than 21.
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 17, 2006 9:59:37 GMT -6
what do you do if you are playing a team that has lost by an average of 3-52 and you are the number 1 team in the state and have pitched shoutouts on every game but 1. within 3 minutes of the 1st your up 21-0. When do you pull the starters
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Post by airman on Feb 17, 2006 10:08:25 GMT -6
what do you do if you are playing a team that has lost by an average of 3-52 and you are the number 1 team in the state and have pitched shoutouts on every game but 1. within 3 minutes of the 1st your up 21-0. When do you pull the starters if you are don markham and you run the double wing in this situation you try to put up 108 points like he did vs a team like this. |
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Post by blb on Feb 17, 2006 10:11:18 GMT -6
Play the game deciders until the game is decided (i.e. opponents don't have time for enough possessions to catch up, or you know they have surrendered). Your only obligation then is to substitute. Keep running your offense. It's their job to stop your offense, not yours. It's not your kids' fault they have a crappy team.
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Post by airman on Feb 17, 2006 10:11:19 GMT -6
it all depends for me. if the other team still has their 1st teams defense in and they continue to blitz, then we continure to score. what I am not going to do is send the 2nd team ou there vs the other teams first team and let them get beatup upon.
I feel the teams who is losing should thorw in the towel first.
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Post by blb on Feb 17, 2006 10:13:31 GMT -6
I agree 100%, airman. And I have been on both sides of this fence. Like Bobby Bowden says, "Get better players, coach better, or change the schedule" if you're getting drilled.
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 17, 2006 10:51:43 GMT -6
our coach pulled the starters after the first series and we still beat this team 81-0. We went on to the state championship and that school went 0-10 losing all their games a total of 21 - 543
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Post by airman on Feb 17, 2006 11:11:53 GMT -6
this is why i am glad there is a running clock in my state. get up by 35 and it is running clock time. some teams use it as motivation.
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Post by gmccown on Feb 17, 2006 11:23:40 GMT -6
Depends on the feel of the game. I play the first string the entire first half...no matter what...I feel that they have to get at least one half of action. In the 2nd half if we are up by 35 I pull the first string skill positions in the 3rd and the entire offense in the 4th. The exception is if your scores aren't from offense. If you happen to score on defense and return a couple punts you can get up quick and still not have total control of the game. IN this case I would leave the O in until they show they can score.
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Post by gmccown on Feb 17, 2006 11:26:14 GMT -6
We beat a team 30-6 this year and the coach is still whining that we ran the score up. Granted it's a sound beating...but it was 14-6 at the half..and they came close to points on more than one occasion. I didn't think it was too harsh a beating.
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Post by coacht3 on Feb 17, 2006 11:37:42 GMT -6
I believe in calling the dogs off when you feel comfortable as the head coach. Alot of the decision is based on how your team is playing. I can handle being embarrassed, but don't embarrass my kids. The most satisfaction that I can get on Friday night is calling victory 3 times. The kids always want to put one more in, but I don't let them make the decision. I tell them we will always have as much/more class than anyone we play.
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 17, 2006 11:41:30 GMT -6
this was before a running clock in GA. the score was 56-0 at half-time.
I admire my coach because the starters only played a series, but i saw a team beat this team 63-7 and they played their starters the whole 1st half and went into half-time up 56-0.
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Post by blb on Feb 17, 2006 11:48:37 GMT -6
Sometimes you can't win (no pun intended). Last year a rival team scored their last TD on a fade by starting QB to #1 receiver to go up 35-7 midway through 4th quarter on us. This year our 2nd string QB threw a pop pass to our 2nd team TE who scored when two of their kids refused to tackle him, so we won 34-6. Their coaches were mad as heck at our "running up the score."
We also ran the kneel down play with our second offense in two games inside the opponents' five this year.
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 17, 2006 11:59:52 GMT -6
State championship in Utah this last season, Logan High was up 49-7 at half. They called off the dogs at half (ran way more than usual), but still scored 2 more touches.
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If quitters never win, and winners never quit. Who is the fool who said quit while your ahead?
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Post by scox80 on Feb 17, 2006 12:09:03 GMT -6
I feel the starters at least deserve to play until the end of the third quarter. We run the wing t so we don't have to run any home run plays depending on the score. It really all depends on the team that you are playing. Do they have the quick strike capability? Will their defense give me 3-4 yards in a cloud of dust if we just run our power, iso, dive and blast? Then again I personally hate defenses so I want to demoralize defenses!  |
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Post by fish on Feb 17, 2006 13:01:55 GMT -6
i don't know if i have or believe in a certain point limit, but i believe in making sure we win the game. i'm not into embarassing kids or showing anybody up, but i want to make sure we win the game.
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Post by knight9299 on Feb 17, 2006 13:17:59 GMT -6
Up by 49 at half, other team turned the ball over 5 times inside their 40. Second half the 2nd team starts. Our idea was simple, run trap and dive with our turtle of a fullback. Next thing you know the turtle breaks a 70 yard trap to call the game. I still feel bad about it. And the opposing team's staff still holds a grudge.
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Post by fish on Feb 17, 2006 13:23:24 GMT -6
knight, i have no problem with that at all. things like that happen.
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Post by gmccown on Feb 17, 2006 14:00:07 GMT -6
There's a big difference in running a fb trap or dive to close a game and producing a unintended score vs running a WR reverse with 5 seconds left when your up 42-6. What you did was fine.
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Post by wildcat on Feb 17, 2006 14:03:09 GMT -6
Up by 49 at half, other team turned the ball over 5 times inside their 40. Second half the 2nd team starts. Our idea was simple, run trap and dive with our turtle of a fullback. Next thing you know the turtle breaks a 70 yard trap to call the game. I still feel bad about it. And the opposing team's staff still holds a grudge. What pisses me off is when you are up and you put your second stringers and youngsters in and have them run the ball to keep the clock moving and the other team leaves their starters in and puts nine guys in the box and blitzes every gap. I have NO PROBLEM AT ALL in calling pass plays against coaches who pull that kind of bush-league crap. I'm all for keep the score respectful and not rubbing anyone's nose in it, but I'm not going to get any of my guys killed in the process. This happened to us this past season, by the way. We were up 32-0 at halftime so I started our backup QB for the second half and then subbed in second stringers and youngsters as the third quarter progressed. Well, the other coach left his starters in and pretty soon, they were just teeing off on our kids, all backups (we lined up in I and just ran power/FB back and forth). I said, "Screw this guy" and called a play-action pass. QB made a nice fake, CB bit hard, FS was playing shallow, and 50 yards later, we were up 38-0. (we took a knee for the 2-point play). After the game, the other coach wouldn't shake my hand and came up to me and said, "that was BS (didn't use the abbreviation, though), coach, that is BS to throw the ball when you are up 32-0." Well, I said to him "Coach, what did you expect me to do? You left your starters in, you put 9 guys in the box, and you blitzed on every down. Was I supposed to just let your kids tee off on my kids?" He looked at me and said, "that's fine, coach. We'll remember that when we play you guys next year." Sometimes you just can't win! |
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 17, 2006 14:29:21 GMT -6
If I'm losing big, I have no problem with a coach calling passing plays with his second unit. I just hate the guy at EAST HIGH SCHOOL who onsided on us to open the 2nd half when he was up by 28.
If I make the decision to get my backups some quality playing time, running zone strong 30 times doesn't help my young guys at all.
This last season, we put in a freshman QB in the 4th quarter, and the other team had 9 in the box, so we started calling some 3 & 5 step quick plays (hitch, slant, curl, flat) to try to get them out of it. They got pissed cause our sophomore receiver broke a tackle on a hitch, and since there was no safety, it was a long TD.
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Post by blb on Feb 17, 2006 15:50:10 GMT -6
Again - having been on both sides of this coin several times (31 years' coaching football):
Your responsibility is to your kids first of all, a close second is sportsmanship (ethics). If they are so poorly coached that they can't stop your base stuff or that their kids quit - well, you can only coach one team at a time, and that is yours. Most of the people that yell out loud about the score being run up on them are trying to hide their own ineptitude.
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Post by lochness on Feb 17, 2006 15:57:59 GMT -6
No matter what, we will never do anything to embarass an opponent. We respect our opposing coaching staffs too much. We will run our offense and our defense, and we will substitute if it is mutual. But, if we move to pull our guys and they do not, we are back in with the firsts until they see our way.
Our division is VERY competitive so this is a tough one to speak from experience.
I don't believe in embarassing anyone (even if they're poorly coached, because that's not their kids fault) ever, though. It's not worth it.
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Post by iahc on Feb 17, 2006 16:25:14 GMT -6
I was in a similar situation as cqmiller- up big in the 4th, playing my JV offense when they piled the box with defenders. After a couple of pass plays, we were in position to score, which we did on the next play, with a run. The other guy wasn't happy, but I ain't gonna let some guy pin his ears back and make life miserable for my JV offense with his varsity players, My guys get nothin' out of that. If he wants to play that way, I'm gonna let my boys play, with the whole playbook.
Similar to other posts, my philosophoy is up by 30-35, depending on who we are playing and how we are playing - my starters will get one, maybe two series in the second half and then we will begin to sub.
However, that philosophy might change in the case of a particular team that ran a fake punt on us up 51-12 with 3:30 to play in the game. But, even then, I have more class than that.
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Post by blb on Feb 17, 2006 16:49:12 GMT -6
'Nother example: We're up 38-0, late 4th quarter. We have set school record for rushing yards in a single game. Our 2's and 3's are in on offense. Our opponents insist on blitzing eight (4-4, Split-Six kind of front) every down. We call pop pass from 2nd string QB to 2nd string TE (good senior kid who hasn't had a pass aimed his way all year) and TE can't catch it.
After game, opposing coach is spitting mad because we threw a pass!
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Post by coachcalande on Feb 17, 2006 20:19:28 GMT -6
dogs? you have dogs?...just kidding...first one to a hundred wins...shake on it...alot more fun that way, and no hard feelings...just ice up the refs cokes and tell em to drink em when the game appears "pretty much out of hand".
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Post by wildcat on Feb 17, 2006 21:23:39 GMT -6
Most of the people that yell out loud about the score being run up on them are trying to hide their own ineptitude. I agree with this to a certain extent. However, there are exceptions. A few years ago, we were getting ready to play the JV game against a non-conference team that we had never played before. Well, when we talk about "JV" football, we mean frosh-soph football. This school was a lot bigger than us, so they had an actual JV team made up of sophomores and juniors who did not start in the varsity game. Two of these juniors who played for the other team were huge. One, the QB, was 6-3 and the other, a receiver, was 6-5. Found out later that both were starters on the varsity basketball team. Anyway, before the game I went up to the other coach and explained that we only had freshmen and sophomores. The other coach told me that they played their juniors and that they weren't going to change that now. So, I was like, "okay, coach, we'll do our best, but I have to tell you that this is probably going to get a little ugly". So he says to me, "Okay, if it starts getting out of hand, we'll take the two big juniors out of the game". So anyway, we played pretty good. We were only down 21-7 at halftime (sounds bad but I was thrilled with the way my guys played because we were 1-3 going into the game). 2 of the 3 TDS were long passes from the 6-3 QB to the 6-5 WR. Anyway, when the third quarter started, we returned a KO for a TD and then the other team continued throwing. Actually, they were just playing catch. The 6-3 QB would lob a pass to the 6-5 receiver who was streaking down the field (being covered by a bunch of 5-7 opomore and freshmen DBs) and then scamper into the endzone untouched. We played them tight. It was actually within 4 points when they lobbed another TD to the big WR (the kid ended up with 4 TD receptions on the day) and at that point, I lost it. I yelled at the other coach, "OK coach, you proved that a 6-3 junior can throw a pass to a 6-5 junior in a frosh-soph game". Well, he didn't like that, but he DID take the kid out so he knew he was wrong. We lost the "JV" game, but our varsity beat their varsity, so we got the last laugh! |
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