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Post by wingman on Aug 13, 2007 18:12:51 GMT -6
At least at our school we never had a kid get a quad flexor before we got a trainer. Did trainers invent the pulled quad flexor? When I played we never hurt that because we didn't know what it was.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 13, 2007 20:21:19 GMT -6
haha... i would have to agree with you ...anatomically speaking, joints flex and extend...not muscles.
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Post by coachorr on Aug 14, 2007 13:16:26 GMT -6
It is a cause of doing power liffts without focussing on training the flexor with lunges and what not.
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Post by wingt74 on Aug 14, 2007 13:41:07 GMT -6
I had a kid tell me he was having back spasms. Another tell me he had turf toe.
Watching to much NFL
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Post by coachcb on Aug 14, 2007 14:01:39 GMT -6
Quads- flex the hip and extend the lower leg Hamstrings- extend the hip and flex the lower leg
Generally, if a kid has pulled his quads, it's because he hasn't trained them very well throughout the offseason. The quads are massively powerful muscles; it takes quite a bit to pull them.
We are seeing the same thing; kids coming in to camp in very poor shape. They've got weak hip and thigh muscles that get torn up with football related movements. Even simple dynamic stretches (after a warm-up) are leaving these kids beat up and sore..
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Post by wingman on Aug 14, 2007 22:20:36 GMT -6
i think you missed the sarcasm. My point is when I played 60s/70/s and coached in the 70s/80s, no one ever had a quad flexor injury and we never trained anything other than the oly and power lifts we did then and now.. We only started getting them when the trainer told them they had one.
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Post by wingt74 on Aug 15, 2007 9:17:06 GMT -6
We only started getting them when the trainer told them they had one. exactly.
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Post by coachcb on Aug 15, 2007 10:17:07 GMT -6
The one we ALWAYS have issues with is concussions..... Okay, I KNOW there is need to pay attention to it; I had several concussions myself over the years.
But it's like a virus; one kid gets a concussion, then another goes down, and then another........ One year, we had a policy; if a kid has an "injury" (as per the trainer), they sit as long as he recommends, but then he can still play... GUESS WHAT OUT MAJOR INJURY WAS??!?!?!?!?
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Post by herky on Aug 15, 2007 12:08:44 GMT -6
Do you mean hip flexor? What kind of trainer do you have? Everyone should have strained something or another the first week of practice...but it won't preclude them from full participation. You are dealing with kids that are out for football for various reasons. The mere presence of an ATC will create 'injuries' among the kids that may be looking for an out. I have some pretty funny stories of times when I fed kids with bogus symptoms....which amazingly showed up in an eval. High school ATC's are a bit hamstringed because the kids are minors and have parents that usually get all worked up over the smallest ache. By the nature of that level, you have to be conservative. And heaven forbid the kid goes to a GP with 2 weeks of orthopedic training that is ultra conservative....in that case what the physician says goes. I'm way too aggressive with evals and rehab to work at that level. As coaches, one tip that I have seen to be pretty effective is to make sure everyone on the field has the same demeanor. Keep the same approach with the kids....don't have the ATC be the friendly buddie to everyone that kids want to be with and all the coaches act like unapproachable hard asses. Also, any ATC worth a damn will give the injured kids a tough, undesirable workout which should quickly weed out the fakers/ {censored} or kids that want a label for their normal aches and pains of football.
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Post by coachcb on Aug 15, 2007 13:53:29 GMT -6
Hell, one of my best OL break the tip of one of his fingers yesterday; he's got a bone chip floatin around in there. He showed up today with a splint on it and got to work. I asked his mom what he was cleared to do, here's her reply-
"The doc says he shouldn't do anything, but it's just his pinky finger. If he wants to practice, let him." I darn near fell in love with the woman.
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