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Post by holepounder on Feb 13, 2008 17:26:23 GMT -6
I have been lurking on the site here for a little while and really appreciate the vast knowledge you all have out there. Wanting to contribute and had a pestering question I hope to get some perspective on.
My question is about the time spent during the pre-season and in season in actual planning.
This past season I never felt as if we were all on the same page and we almost never did any game planning as a group, nor did we watch film together. I only got to see film a few times during the year, only film I saw was from scout film I obtained or taped on off weeks.
The OC generally would install new plays during the offensive period, and the line coach and backs coach would learn it as the players learned it as opposed to seeing it or being given a heads up as to what was being installed. The same was true on the other side of the ball as well. Having things installed right in front of me was rough, with no time to prep or even talk about it, ie blocking schemes vs different fronts ect.
Is this common or am I out of my mind in thinking that more communication as a group is necessary?
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Post by tog on Feb 13, 2008 17:33:13 GMT -6
you are not out of your mind
this is not common at least round these parts
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Post by coachcalande on Feb 13, 2008 18:06:52 GMT -6
We meet once a month in the off season as a staff but a few times a week in the wt room, stay in touch via phone and email as well.
regarding plays being put in ....i hate when we dont chalk stuff as a staff first to make sure everyone gets it. it happens but I do let it be known that its very hard on the oline if we dont get to work on schemes in indy time before team time.
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Post by warrior53 on Feb 13, 2008 19:10:26 GMT -6
hold on there tog - I wouldn't say that it is uncommon around these parts. I too, am amazed at how little we meet and I am from the same state you are.
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Post by smu92 on Feb 13, 2008 19:38:33 GMT -6
It really is ridiculous how much this actually happens. I showed up on game day after I finished teaching my classes once this year, and my DC informed me that we had an entire new game plan for that night's game. We had to put it in in walk-throughs. Needless to say, we got smoked. I thought there was no way in the world this kind of thing happens anywhere else. Guess I was wrong.
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Post by warrior53 on Feb 13, 2008 19:43:39 GMT -6
I know that guy and that is the truth!!!
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Post by tog on Feb 13, 2008 20:17:36 GMT -6
ok
put it this way
it aint going to happen on any staff i am on or in charge of
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Post by goldenbull70 on Feb 13, 2008 20:34:07 GMT -6
In the offseason we usually go to a few coaches clinics and keep in touch via phone calls. During the season, we meet M-W after practice for 5-10 minutes to discuss anything we need to work on the next day. On Sunday we get together at the school and have a film session/chalk talk that usually lasts about 6 hours (Fri night game and last three of this week's opponnent plus chalk talk).
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Post by holepounder on Feb 13, 2008 20:36:32 GMT -6
It just does make alot of sense to me, but as a coach with only a few years of experience I had to wonder. I would not dream of doing that with the management team that I supervise in the business world, but I just was not sure if the standards were different in coaching.
I just don't know if I should stay onboard or move on in this situation.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 13, 2008 20:59:10 GMT -6
If you don't meet as often as it takes to have everything installed, chalked, and "what if'd" (against every possible motion, trade, formation, front, coverage, blitz, stunt ) before you ever introduce it to the kids, than you are doing yourself a disservice.
If you haven't met enough that your RB's coach can tell you what the OL is going to do when they see potentially 4 weak coming on a 5 step drop...you are doing yourself a disservice.
IF you haven't talked it, chalked it, and walked it (if allowed) with all possible kids before you hit the field for spring (if allowed) you are doing yourself a disservice.
I think THIS is what separates the "professional coaches" from those who just don't get it (in my opinion.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 13, 2008 23:19:17 GMT -6
simple answer... not enough
its difficult because only 2 of our coaches are on site, but they arent teachers.
HC goes straight into wrestling after football and has full focus on that, have had a very good wrestling team the last 5 years or so.
HC has told me that this year there will be more meetings and wrestling is just about done, so hopefully by the end of march we will have had a meeting or two just for us all to get on the same page
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Post by CoachBorrelli on Feb 13, 2008 23:35:43 GMT -6
Usually not enough. Now I had one coach who coached at a JC where the HC was just going through a divorce. He said they met so much and for stupid reasons, mainly because the guy was bored.
My feeling is this regarding meetings. 1) should be scheduled 2) each coach needs to have something to bring to the meeting (task) 3) structure the meeting so that all tasks are accounted for and it's business. 4) leave the last part open.
Meetings to "go over stuff" usually end up being just that and you leave with little accomplished.
Have a plan, have each coach responsible for a part of the meeting. this makes sure the homework is done prior to the meeting.
Obviously I got an issue with this one. Good question!
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Post by realdawg on Feb 14, 2008 6:12:15 GMT -6
Once a week during the off season and for anywhere from 1-2 hours on Saturday and 4-6 hours on Sunday. Still not enough, there are rare times when we are not on the same page on the practice field-especially early in the week. This looks bad and I hate it.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Feb 14, 2008 6:49:13 GMT -6
In the off season we meet as an offensive staff usually once a week from Feb to April. We go over the play book, talk about ideas we got from the clinics, share new things we may want to try, etc. Our philosophy is that if we don't put it in the offseason, its not going in the regular season. Seems rigid, but every coach on the staff knows the playbook and if I make a change, want to emphasize a play we haven't run yet, at least all the coaches are familiar with it. We break April and May and will meet a few times as an entire staff before spring ball starts. During the summer we meet informally after workouts, and will have a few scheduled staff meetings.
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Post by MaineManiac on Feb 14, 2008 6:51:03 GMT -6
Holepounder,
Is there any chance they meet when you are not available? We have a staff of 9. 6 of us are employees of the school district and have the same period each day for planning. We meet once a week in the off-season during that time. The other 3 coaches are aware that we're meeting. We go out of our way at the clinics we go to as a full staff to update what we accomplished in those meetings. If they are meeting while you're at your job in the business world, maybe there would be a way to update you with meeting notes or one particular staff member in charge of touching base with you.
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Post by rideanddecide on Feb 14, 2008 7:23:52 GMT -6
For the HC's... I would love to meet with my staff more often. However, we only have 5 coaches on staff and 2 of them are freshman focused. They don't find time to work football in the off season. So as HC I call the D and i have a very good OC. We work together all the time and talk football every day. But that's only two coaches, not the rest.
I live in a town of 2000 people so there isn't a lot to choose from. The teaching staff is only 30. What do you do in this situation?
I'd love to say, "thanks but we'll find someone else", but it's damn near impossible to find someone else or to find someone else who will be here on a yearly basis. It's also nearly impossible to find someone in the community that is willing to come on as a freshman coach. At least the coaches we have will be here every year and they have a good relationship with the kids so kids want to play as freshmen and generally stay out for football after their freshman year.
Just looking for your thoughts. Remember, it's not as easy as just hiring someone else, because although we've been somewhat successful we don't really have people beating down our door to coach here.
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Post by phantom on Feb 14, 2008 7:52:32 GMT -6
I have been lurking on the site here for a little while and really appreciate the vast knowledge you all have out there. Wanting to contribute and had a pestering question I hope to get some perspective on. My question is about the time spent during the pre-season and in season in actual planning. This past season I never felt as if we were all on the same page and we almost never did any game planning as a group, nor did we watch film together. I only got to see film a few times during the year, only film I saw was from scout film I obtained or taped on off weeks. The OC generally would install new plays during the offensive period, and the line coach and backs coach would learn it as the players learned it as opposed to seeing it or being given a heads up as to what was being installed. The same was true on the other side of the ball as well. Having things installed right in front of me was rough, with no time to prep or even talk about it, ie blocking schemes vs different fronts ect. Is this common or am I out of my mind in thinking that more communication as a group is necessary? If this is a high school situation this is bad. During the season we meet every Sunday for 4-5 hours to install the game plan and, from what I've seen here, we probably meet less than most. Move on.
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 14, 2008 7:53:13 GMT -6
As a HC we met "formally" when we would all stay in the same or nearby rooms at a football clinic. Usually have a staff meeting after the last speaker. Informally we would talk in the wt room or on the phone and stay in contact via email too. This is the example I followed from being on a highly organized staff as an assistant.
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Post by holepounder on Feb 14, 2008 12:21:28 GMT -6
Holepounder, Is there any chance they meet when you are not available? We have a staff of 9. 6 of us are employees of the school district and have the same period each day for planning. We meet once a week in the off-season during that time. The other 3 coaches are aware that we're meeting. We go out of our way at the clinics we go to as a full staff to update what we accomplished in those meetings. If they are meeting while you're at your job in the business world, maybe there would be a way to update you with meeting notes or one particular staff member in charge of touching base with you. None of us are teachers at this specific school. Actually only one is a teacher. The other 4 of us work outside of the school and work our schedules around football and a few coach other sports. If there was a meeting scheduled, I am there as I have the ability to roll my schedule to accommodate. It just is frustrating because I feel like I am prepared only to a certain point, but would be a better coach if the group was more organized and I could prepare properly.
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Post by tedseay on Feb 15, 2008 4:38:38 GMT -6
If you don't meet as often as it takes to have everything installed, chalked, and "what if'd" (against every possible motion, trade, formation, front, coverage, blitz, stunt ) before you ever introduce it to the kids, than you are doing yourself a disservice. D: I call this "giggle-proofing" my schemes. If it doesn't pass the giggle test, it doesn't go in.
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Post by matt5054 on Feb 15, 2008 11:01:17 GMT -6
We meet regularly in the offseason because we are all here for weights/agilities anyway. We also go to a couple of coaching clinics. During the summer we are all here for workouts/maintenance and have that time to talk.
During the season we meet on Saturday morning to break down film and get an idea of what we want to do. Then we meet Sunday evening to grade the previous game film and put in the game plan for the upcoming week, this takes 4-6 hours. One thing we have talked about is doing a better job of coming together as a staff after the game plans are in to know what each phase is doing because we all coach one side of the ball.
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Post by kurtbryan on Feb 15, 2008 19:17:44 GMT -6
During the Season we Meet:
Sunday night 6pm - 10pm breakdown film and gameplan Monday night after practice two or three O or D coaches Tuesday night after practice one or two O or D coaches
During the OFF-season we Meet:
Clinics and various coaches go to different sessions Then beginning in late Feb or March, we will meet on a Sunday night as a whole staff. Each coach must bring his dayplanner/calendar, and we will then set the dates/times for all of our upcoming meetings through Spring Football, which is late May and First week of June.
Leading up to Spring football, we will meet usually 4 or 5 times to review new O/D & ST schemes and to plan out Spring ball, so the coaches understand it and can trade ideas, etc.
In the Summer, Prior to Double Days:
We will have several meetings to map things out, and then beginning the week before Double Days, our Weekly Sunday night meetings begin and carry on throughout the season.
* Anytime a Coach wants to present an idea in detail, he must bring enough copies for each coach to have in hand when he gives his presentation.
KB
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Post by ramsoc on Feb 15, 2008 23:24:28 GMT -6
Sporadically during the early off season. Might meet/phone every day one week, then not hear from each other for the next two. As spring ball approaches, we meet at least once a week, then once summer hits, if we have to meet, its before/after practice. In season, we meet on Saturday or Sunday dependent on when our game was for film and planning and again before/after practice as needed
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Post by coachveer on Feb 16, 2008 8:03:51 GMT -6
I was on a staff once back in the 90's that put in prior years offense on the monday of the first playoff game..Needless to say we go smoked 30 something to zip. (Also my last year on the staff.)
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Post by 1ring on Feb 16, 2008 19:36:34 GMT -6
We meet every morning during the season. Every morning except Wed. during the off season. There is no doubt we are on the same page.
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