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Post by spos21ram on Jan 30, 2008 19:04:44 GMT -6
This is for teams that play alot of two-way players....
If you run an offense that needs to have a lot of practice time every week, do you simplify your defense so you do not have to spend as much time on it as offense?
For example...I beleive that if you are any type of option team or a pass heavy team you need to constantly work on it week in and week out. Thus not being able to spend equal time on defense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2008 19:06:38 GMT -6
I will probably get blasted for saying this, and I'm biased because I coach defense, but I believe that more games are lost on defense than on offense.
You can win a lot of games with a great offense, but eventually someone will score more.
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Post by brophy on Jan 30, 2008 19:30:43 GMT -6
that is a good point raised, sport21ram.
I think conventional wisdom tells us to play "conservative offense, aggressive defense" because it is all about ball control / possession. Go bananas on defense, blitzing with an emphasis on pressure, then milk the clock on offense with really passive calls. "They can't win if they don't score" type thinking...just don't let the offense screw up.
However, I am of the mind (having once thought that way) to be more in favor of "aggressive offense, passive (bend-but-don't-break) defense". Use the possession of the ball for what it was meant for....taking shots at the end zone. "set the table" on offense, where you can control / dictate matchups quite a bit better and on defense sit in simple zone/man concepts, playing it 'safe'.
I think the way to get 'good' quickly is to make sure your defense is at least 'solid' and don't short-change it. However, it really isn't that difficult to do that (ESPECIALLY if you are running something similar at JV, Frosh, MS levels)....as long as you have depth on defense, you should be able to get away with lining up in C2 & C3 (really simple concepts) nearly every down. Why? Because what your defense does is 90% dependent on the formation you are defending (you HAVE to adjust!). For every different formation you are faced with, you are adding a "new" defense essentially. For 10 formations, you have 10 'defenses' in C3. You want to run C2 as well? Now those 10 formations become 20 (defensive) concepts for your players.
I really don't believe you can neglect the defense for the sake of scoring points, you just don't HAVE to be 'complicated' on defense to be good. So long as the kids can adjust to any formation out of base (C3) and tackle - you SHOULD be fine.
On offense, you really need reps and go over all the scenarios so everyone is on the same page.
I guess what I'm saying is.....I agree with you.
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Post by phantom on Jan 30, 2008 19:38:46 GMT -6
This is for teams that play alot of two-way players.... If you run an offense that needs to have a lot of practice time every week, do you simplify your defense so you do not have to spend as much time on it as offense? For example...I beleive that if you are any type of option team or a pass heavy team you need to constantly work on it week in and week out. Thus not being able to spend equal time on defense. I don't believe that you can simplify too much on defense. On offense you can dictate somewhat. On defense you need to be able to answer a lot of different problems and a "one size fits all" approach doesn't necessarily work.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 30, 2008 19:46:46 GMT -6
I guess we fall into this category. I wouldn't say we over concentrate on Offense, we have a full O and D day each week with team D on O days and vice versa. I would say we have a simpler D because quite frankly we don't have a true Defensive guy on staff. I have the title of DC but in truth am an O guy at heart. We are a 50 cov 3 base some times 52 w $ sometimes a 53 look. We put in some special stuff on D when needed, like a veer team or stud wr. But our main concern is not to be confused and tackle well. Like Brophy said if we know where to line up and know how to tackle then we will be fine. Our big thing is to be sound, run to the ball, and not be confused so the guys can go out and play ball. Thats just the way we do it and it has worked well so far.
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Post by PSS on Jan 30, 2008 19:51:17 GMT -6
This is for teams that play alot of two-way players.... If you run an offense that needs to have a lot of practice time every week, do you simplify your defense so you do not have to spend as much time on it as offense? For example...I beleive that if you are any type of option team or a pass heavy team you need to constantly work on it week in and week out. Thus not being able to spend equal time on defense. I don't believe that you can simplify too much on defense. On offense you can dictate somewhat. On defense you need to be able to answer a lot of different problems and a "one size fits all" approach doesn't necessarily work. Great point Phantom. One more thing to think about. It takes time to prepare on defense, just as the others have pointed out. It doesn't matter what scheme you run, but being able to recognize and adjust to formations, adjust to motions, and adjust to shifts, are many thing you may have to prepare for in just one week. I guess what I'm trying to say is that maybe when you settle on a defense, you need to really study your practice segments so that each (offense, defense, special teams) are getting adequate time to be successful.
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Post by nd4spd on Jan 30, 2008 21:00:25 GMT -6
It's funny, I'm an offensive minded coach so I spend nearly twice the amout of time practicing offense compared to defense. What I've found is that our Defense sets the tempo, creates the spark with big stops & turnovers, etc... Our offense is hit or miss at times & can come & go throughout the game while the defense is pretty much the consistant performer.
For both Offense & Defense I try to keep things as simple as possible & re-use as much learning as we can. Sometimes that may mean we don't have an answer for everything but that's what in-game adjustments are for. I'm vary much a believer in hanging your hat on something & just trying to be better athletes & execute better then the other team. Don't get too cute so players can fly around. I'd rather make mistakes at full speed then standing still in confusion. Sure there's flaws with it but I understand what they are & can work around them pretty well.
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Post by ramsoc on Jan 31, 2008 1:02:02 GMT -6
I am an offensive minded coach. But during the season, we concentrate on defense. We use our spring and summer practice to get most of our offense in. Offense during the season consists of any adjustments to the opposition defense and any special/new plays we want to put in that week.
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Post by revtaz on Jan 31, 2008 6:55:17 GMT -6
I am a DC, and it gets kind of hairy when it's not equal time.
We don't get spring ball. And our preseason is very short comparatively. I do like keeping the defense simple and easy to understand and I like taking a lot of thinking out of it and more of it becoming a reaction. I may have 3 coverages and 4 fronts. All built off the same principles. It's just simple but very versatile.
Taz
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 31, 2008 8:29:21 GMT -6
This is exactly why I built my defense the way I did. reduce fronts, reduce coverages, reduce techniques required, master the alignment, assignment, do sensible drills that directly develop the skills needed for your defense. Pursuit, tackle and strip the ball. Play keep away on offense.
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Post by morris on Jan 31, 2008 9:00:18 GMT -6
We keep our defense simple because we do not want our players having to think much. The more they have to think the more chance the reaction will be slow. We go into a game looking to stop the best 3-5 things our opponents does and/or the player. At the top level you have more athletes so you have to play against better but as you go down to smaller schools it is different.
We want to know if you can beat us with your #2 WR or the 2nd or 3rd back. Defense is about forcing teams to do what they do not want to do. In Super Bowl 25 the plan was they wanted Thomas to rush for over 100 yrds because it ate up clock. Against the Rams they want to hit Faulk on every play. If a team can beat us with their 5th and 6th best plays then ok but we like our chances better. Keep it simple and just get real good at it. Its the same concept behind Air Raid except on the other side of the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2008 9:12:56 GMT -6
I have a very simple way of putting it: "Offense is the stripper who's fun to date, but defense is the girl you marry". Duece
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Post by tedseay on Jan 31, 2008 10:50:43 GMT -6
This is for teams that play alot of two-way players.... If you run an offense that needs to have a lot of practice time every week, do you simplify your defense so you do not have to spend as much time on it as offense? For example...I beleive that if you are any type of option team or a pass heavy team you need to constantly work on it week in and week out. Thus not being able to spend equal time on defense. Coach: One of the great advantages of the 2-Level defense, to my mind, is that while it is extremely coaching (and scouting!) intensive, it is dead simple for the players to learn and execute. I can get all concepts installed in 10 days, and after that it's drill, drill, drill -- which tends to leave more teaching time for special teams and offense.
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Post by briangilbert on Jan 31, 2008 11:58:54 GMT -6
An Aggressive defense is a MUST. Unless you like having the offense dictate what you can and can not do.
Offensively I like to throw the ball ALOT. Only because I feel at the HS level defenses are worse at covering the pass then they are at stopping the run.
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Post by knight9299 on Jan 31, 2008 12:03:53 GMT -6
Give me an offense that moves the chains consistently and eats clock and I'll give you 75% of the practice time. If your offense is no good, chances are your defense will be too. A ball control offense is a GREAT defense. An opponents offense can't score if it doesn't have the ball.
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Post by coachdawhip on Jan 31, 2008 13:32:47 GMT -6
I agree, we spend more time practicing defense during the week slightly. However, I have learned that a basic and aggressive defense, you can be both. Is needed.
To me it's simple offense takes more time to get better.
A good offense aids a defense.
A bad offense turns a good defense bad.
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