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Post by airman on Dec 4, 2005 14:01:05 GMT -6
I was reading in the news paper the oklahoma playoffs are delayed now 2 weeks because of a pending lawsuit.
the lawsuit stems from a player being supsened.
shawnee qb tucker brown was ejected from a game, thus resulting in ossaa rule suspending him for 2 games.
here is what happend.
shawnee was playing booker t washington h.s.
shawnee qb tucker brown was taking a knee to end the game when a Booker T Washington h.s. player busted through the line and tackled Brown.
Tucker brown got up and kicked the BTW player in the head while he was on the ground.
this led to brown getting ejected.
now we come to the lawsuit. Tucker's mother flile a lawsuit and now she is taking to state supreme court to get her son reinstated and have the suspension take place next year when tucker is a sr.
the lawyer for tucker contends the fighting rule does not cover the playoffs only the regular system.
mean while the interesting thing is, tucker's dad, bill brown is the head coach fro shawnee.
the message sent is, tucker, you can violate the rules and we will get a lawyer to solve your problems and we will exempt you from your actions.
mean while, the playoffs are now delayed two weeks.
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Post by mitch on Dec 4, 2005 18:35:53 GMT -6
I am from Oklahoma, and have been following this story from the begginng. I am embarassed that a fellow collegue of mine has went to these extremes to try and bend the rules in his favor. I want everyone on this board to know that the VAST majority of OK HS coaches are on the OSSAA's (state athletic association's) side in this matter. We all believe that a really good oppurtunity to teach a great lesson about right and wrong has been not only lost, but been flipped a complete 180.
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Post by throwtherock on Dec 4, 2005 20:45:22 GMT -6
You must remember that Coach Brown is acting as a PARENT not a Coach! There are a lot of people that would do the same for their son or daughter.
The OSSAA will win this case. But hopefully they now realise that they are not untouchable.
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Post by mitch on Dec 4, 2005 21:24:44 GMT -6
Coach Brown, or any other coach, does not have the luxury of acting as just a parent. Coaches are different and have different obligations than the normal parent. Also, I would hope any parent would also want to teach their child about right and wrong. Coach Brown, IMO, as a coach or parent, should be teaching his son to be accountable for his actions, not teaching him if he doesn't like the rules...just go to court.
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Post by throwtherock on Dec 4, 2005 22:16:21 GMT -6
I don't think that I have ever heard Coach Brown say that his son wasn't wrong in what he did. What he is saying is that his son is the only one being helf accountable for his actions. Why didn't the OSSAA do anything to the BTW kids or the Refs?
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Post by wildcat on Dec 4, 2005 22:25:34 GMT -6
Maybe I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but did the refs REALLY have to eject the kid? I mean, there was only, what, 15 seconds or so left in the game?
What purpose did the ejection serve? Couldn't the refs simply have thrown a flag and assessed a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty?
It's not like the QB just walked up to some guy lying on the ground and kicked him in the head for no reason. I'm not saying that the kid should have kicked the guy, but doesn't the kid who jumped offsides when the QB was trying to kneel the ball to kill the clock have some responsibility too? I know that in Illinois, when a team is going to kill the clock, the officials make sure that this kind of crap doesn't happen.
Sounds to me like the officials overreacted. A 15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty would have been appropriate. Ejection was excessive.
Wouldn't be surprised to find out that there was prior history between the crew and the coach/dad of the kid who was ejected.
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Post by airman on Dec 4, 2005 23:36:47 GMT -6
I don't think that I have ever heard Coach Brown say that his son wasn't wrong in what he did. What he is saying is that his son is the only one being helf accountable for his actions. Why didn't the OSSAA do anything to the BTW kids or the Refs? by not saying anything coach brown is telling his child it is okay. personally coach brown shoud explain to his wife what harm she is doing to the game of football. we already have courts sending drug dealer back on to teams. how do you think chan gailey feels that he is court order to take back a kid pushing drugs, who was defended by the aclu. we have a obligation far greater then winning state championship or games. how we leave the game is far more important then anything we can ever achieve in a success. sportsmanship is our mark. all tucker had to do is getup and walk away. game over. instead tucker chose to kick a guy in the head, while he was down. if tucker wins his lawsuit and his father plays hime, they have disgraced the game of football. I am not saying the kid at BTW should not beheld accountable either. if he is a jr, he should sit some games next year if he is a sr. he sits some games in another sport. |
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Post by carson101 on Dec 5, 2005 0:24:25 GMT -6
This is nuts, Coach Tucker has tarnished his integrity with the Team,Collegues,League,Community and anyone else that supports this program. It is a joke that it is a Court issue, who in there right mind is gonna condone this kids actions other than his parents, if its a thing about the rules, I think the kid should be disiplined, if not only ejected, but suspended from school, and brought up on charges. We Coach a tough sport but he has violated the rules during a school event. The other kid did a crappy thing but didn't deserve a kick in the head. It is unneccessary violence. If the court exonerates(sp) this kid, then there is a big problem and it sends the message that extreme violence is ok on the field, heck it also says its ok in school too since this is a school function. Its sad that the deserving kids that are in the playoffs have to sit on their hands waiting for some knuckle head to make a ridiculas(sp) decision. Maybe they could take the Tucker kid to court for waisting their time.
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Post by mitch on Dec 5, 2005 9:41:21 GMT -6
Throwtherock,
It doesn't matter what happened to the other kid. Tucker broke the OSSAA fighting rule, and as a result is sitting his two game suspension. The rule is cut and dried, and doesn't say anything about how much time is left in the game.
To quote an editorial in the Oklahoman, "prisons are full of people who were provoked by someone else". I understand feeling like its not fair that the other kid wasn't ejected, but shouldn't we teach kids life isn't fair?
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Post by wildcat on Dec 5, 2005 9:52:23 GMT -6
Apparently, kicking another player is an automatic two-game suspension in Oklahoma. I didn't know that. In Illinois, you are only ejected after two unsportmanlike penalities in the same game. Officials can simply throw a flag for the first offense without ejecting the player.
If the rules in Oklahoma state that kicking an opposing player will result in a two-game suspension, then the kid needs to be suspended. Sounds pretty simple to me.
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Post by carson101 on Dec 5, 2005 9:53:15 GMT -6
Well, Why doesn't it matter what happened to the other kid? Was he not assulted?, doesn't seem to be any football technique I ever heard of.
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Post by throwtherock on Dec 5, 2005 23:25:32 GMT -6
So have any of you ever had a kid push another after a play??? According to the OSSAA rules then he should have been ejected and missed the next two games... Think about that one...
A student whose flagrant or unsportsmanlike conduct consists of fighting, cursing or using foul language toward a game official will be automatically suspended from participating in a minimum of the next two games or contests that his/her team plays. Fighting is defined, but is not limited to any player or non-player (bench personnel) striking an opponent with arm(s), leg(s), foot (feet), or other object(s); attempting to strike an opponent with arm(s), leg(s), foot (feet), or other object(s), regardless if there is contact with an opponent;
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Post by airman on Dec 5, 2005 23:42:06 GMT -6
So have any of you ever had a kid push another after a play??? According to the OSSAA rules then he should have been ejected and missed the next two games... Think about that one... A student whose flagrant or unsportsmanlike conduct consists of fighting, cursing or using foul language toward a game official will be automatically suspended from participating in a minimum of the next two games or contests that his/her team plays. Fighting is defined, but is not limited to any player or non-player (bench personnel) striking an opponent with arm(s), leg(s), foot (feet), or other object(s); attempting to strike an opponent with arm(s), leg(s), foot (feet), or other object(s), regardless if there is contact with an opponent; had tucker pushed the kid and got suspended, I would be on his side. however tucker kicked the kid inthe head. one does that with the intent to cause injury. big difference liek a the difference between a speeding ticket and a murder. |
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