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Post by gatorball on Mar 2, 2007 7:12:04 GMT -6
When you are going to put together and offensive philosophy or scheme, what do you start with? Formation Play Set of plays
Obviously it boils down to if you want to be an option team, power running, passing etc I know, but I want to hear some opinions on where you started when you developed and offense. Almost like it is pile of Lego's in front of you and you are going to build something out of them
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Post by lsrood on Mar 2, 2007 8:12:51 GMT -6
First I would say it would boil down to what type of offense you want to run, then once you had determined the type you would want to get your foundation started which would be your base plays, your bread and butter.
Every coach when he starts teaching his offense will begin with certain plays and then build from them. The base plays might be different for each style of offense, but they will be the same in that everything in that offense expands from them. No matter what the philosophy caoches have their go to plays, the ones they use when they need to get in their comfort zone.
We start with the Power and build from there working our way back in to the Iso, the FB dive, and FB Trap. From there we build with the dive option, trap option, and stretch (outside zone). We also work our complimentary play action passes (Boot, Dump, Trap Pass) with these plays so the players can see how they compliment one another. From this point we can then expand our offense to the other areas we cover--we also run the WVU Spread and the first play we build on there is the IZ, then OZ , then Zone Belly.
I think your personnel will also play into the factor, but most coaches will find a way to modify their offense to their current personnel without making wholesale changes in scheme and philosophy. The bottom line is that no matter what you run, you believe in it very strongly or you wouldn't be using it; and you have certain plays that you know you have to make work to be successful. Those almost always are your base plays, your building blocks. How you group your formations, sets of plays and plays themselves will be a choice of the coaching staff and will vary on the scheme and teaching progression. But your base plays will still be your base plays.
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 2, 2007 8:56:27 GMT -6
We start with a series of plays, our bread and butter the belly series and progress from there. We base from here b/c it is a great power and deception series for high school football. Power football is where we want to hang our hat.
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Post by dubber on Mar 2, 2007 9:04:07 GMT -6
Before you do anything, know your personnel...
1. Philosophy (we're going to attack with the deep ball; we're going to pound the rock, etc.)
2. Formations with alignments (I would suggest 1 or 2 bases to learn everything from before adding formations----for example, teach jet sweep out of your base Red and Blue Wing-T formations, then after you perfect it, add your empty sets and Nub sets)
3. Expectations of each position. (Our QB must be able to do 1, 2, and 3)
4. Core plays with compliments. Series guy here, so you want to go through the playbook in Series. (Buck sweep series, then Belly Series, etc.)
When it comes to practice (two-a-days) rep the crap out of your bread and butter (say, power pitch), perfect it, then add the compliments (trap, boot).
Hope this helps
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Mar 2, 2007 13:34:45 GMT -6
I think that you also have to consider your situation before selecting an offense. I coach at a very small school with few players (last season 24 players in grades 9-12--numbers will be better next season). Therefore, we had to find an offense that was multiple (at least appear that way), had few rules, and adjusted to various fronts. I think it is also imporant to select an offense that is unique for your conference play. You don't want to run something that the defense has seen the past two weeks.
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Post by tog on Mar 2, 2007 15:04:24 GMT -6
i start with something that will work even if there is no talent
to me this means
1. option 2. wing t misdirection 3. air raid---dependant on having at least a qb that can throw
with all this in mind i want to be balanced and I want to be able to implement aspects of all three of these styles into one with a system that allows for it with as much carryover as possible
the system has to be flexible enough to morph from year to year depending on the talent on hand
we want to start with option blend into wing t stuff if need be due to qb mostly and mix in some air raid type things also depending on qb
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Post by CVBears on Mar 2, 2007 16:19:15 GMT -6
For me, I want to be balanced in terms of running and passing no matter what the talent level is for any given year. I then want to create a set of high percentage run plays and high percentage pass plays that can be run from various formations. If it can only be ran from one or two formations, I don't want it as one of my "bread and butter" plays that I will depend on year after year. The reason for this is I don't know exactly what my talent will be ten years from now and I want my offense to be flexible enough to fit all personnel. The second reason for this is, if I have enough talent, I want to be able to use multiple formations to make the defense have to prepare more/be confused/etc, and I want to be able to dictate what the defense does, rather than the other way around.
IMO, the run plays that best suit multiple formations are counters, trap and lead plays. After that, the world is your oyster. Then you can get into personnel/formation specific plays in the run game.
For the passing game, I would set up quick game concepts that attack flat and/or curl defenders from a twins (2WR on same side) set. This concept should be able to transcend any formation, spread, wingT, pro I, DW, air raid, whatever. Then proceed into specific formation and personnel concepts.
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Post by Coach Huey on Mar 2, 2007 16:36:21 GMT -6
start with a philosophy ...
examples: * we want to establish the off-tackle runs * we want to utilize lots of formations * we want to throw to set up the run
now, what plays/style best fit that philosophy...
* we need to be in the I quite a bit * we need to be 3-wide * quick game & sprintouts are a must for us
blah, blah.
don't view the offense as a bunch of plays ... view it as an approach, a style, a philosophy ... plays come and go, philosophies are long-term
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Post by warrior53 on Mar 3, 2007 8:33:27 GMT -6
Before you go putting together a package, you need to access what your players can do. That proceeds everything. Then what kind of quarterback do you have - how deep can he throw, what does he throw well, is he a runner rather than a passer, is he a better passer on the run or in the pocket, can he throw at all? Finally, you have to ask yourself, what do I know how to teach? Then you can start to put together an offense.
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