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Post by dport on Oct 9, 2014 15:27:32 GMT -6
If you could only do one if these during the season, which would you and why?
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Post by coachklee on Oct 9, 2014 16:20:36 GMT -6
Interested to see what others say besides both. I'd lean towards film as a weight training class & off-season program should already be in place.
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Post by wolverine55 on Oct 9, 2014 17:06:28 GMT -6
If I was at a school that didn't/couldn't offer an in-school weight lifting program, I'd take the weight lifting in a heartbeat.
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Post by mrjvi on Oct 9, 2014 17:10:08 GMT -6
I agree with wolverine.
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Post by jg78 on Oct 9, 2014 18:35:40 GMT -6
Definitely weight lifting. Although I think film study with the players is very important, I feel like I could still teach things well enough on the practice field to do the job. The film just helps. However, there is no substitute for weight lifting when it comes to making your team as good as they can be.
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Post by realdawg on Oct 9, 2014 18:37:50 GMT -6
One on one day, the other the next. Is that an option here?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 19:36:32 GMT -6
Do you have to pick year round, or just during the season?
If we're talking trading weights in the offseason and during the season for film, I'd definitely pick lifting. No question.
If we still get to lift in the offseason, I would actually consider trading for film during the season, but it's not a choice I'd like to make.
While a team's foundation is in the weightroom, there's a lot of actual football mistakes you don't see until you watch film, and seeing it on film is such a powerful teaching tool. Also, I'm including film study of opponents here as well--I HATE going into a game blind! The players would get some strength training via practice, while film would help more with alignment, assignment, and execution on Fri. nights.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 9, 2014 20:16:26 GMT -6
I understand the question and it is a tough one. If we are speaking hypothetically, I guess I would have to pick film given that we can do weights out of season and still do pushups, lunges, drive the sled, etc. during practice.
Being strong is huge, but knowing what you are doing and your opponent is doing is more important.
My guess is this is not a hypothetical question though and has to do with limited amounts of time.
Just 20 minutes of weights a week can provide tremendous benefits and probably is 80-95% as effective as most in-seasons programs. You can do one set of bench, squats, cleans, pullups, press, and abs in 20 minutes easily. Just put your 8-12 rep weight on the bar and rep out with it. Since it is higher reps, you can get away with no warmup sets.
Watch your game film on Saturday mornings or on the weekend sometime. Make a cutup of the opponents film. You can usually make a very effective cutup in about 50-70 plays. Roughly 10 special teams plays, 10 defensive plays, and 30 or so offensive plays. That will only take you 20-30 minutes to review. Also, Hudl will really save you. Watch the cutup once with the team to make points, and then put it on the players to watch. Or even better, put your pointers on notes on the plays and make them watch it.
Weights or film is a tough choice. There are ways to make sure both happen. Both are imperative to me and I am even willing to sacrifice some practice time to make sure it gets done.
Please tell me, if this is an actual realistic question, that your team doesn't do warmups and active stretching and static stretching for 20 minutes, but forgoes weights or film. LOL
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Post by groundchuck on Oct 9, 2014 21:01:08 GMT -6
Wt room.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 10, 2014 0:20:47 GMT -6
If you could only do one if these during the season, which would you and why? Coach, kind of a vague question here. What do you mean by film, and what do you mean by weights?
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 10, 2014 6:26:30 GMT -6
Weight Lifting all Day
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 10, 2014 7:08:36 GMT -6
Just to expand a little. High school aged kids and younger get very very little out of film. We as coaches wish and hope that's not true, but that's reality. The majority watch the ball like they are watching an nfl game on tv.
Coaches get far more from film. If I had to choose film or weight's for the players, it's weight lifting. The players would get the info they need from us walking through the opponents formations, best plays, and who their best players are. And any tendencies or tells they have. Weights are much more beneficial.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Oct 10, 2014 7:45:15 GMT -6
We do a zero hour (before school) Monday wieghts in the morning or off period and previous game film Tuesday film in the AM Wednesday weights Thursday Leadership/study table- you can't lead if you can't take care of your studies
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Post by gibbs72 on Oct 10, 2014 7:47:23 GMT -6
Weights ==> I could always focus on basic alignment rules and assignments instead of team specific tendencies if I really had to.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 7:50:40 GMT -6
I was assuming that "film" meant film for the coaches as well as players.
We had that problem for nearly half our games at my past school last year and it was a nightmare.
If we're talking trading lifting for film study with players while coaches still get to break it down, then it would be weights as the clear choice.
I still feel both are necessary, however. HS players can get some good things out of film study when it's guided and structured properly (keep it brief and to the point), if only because it holds them responsible in front of their teammates.
Ideally, I think it should be kept under 15 minutes of your own and 5-10 minutes of the opponent's key stuff before the attention spans start waning. If you just put on last week's game and let it play for 30 minutes with no comment or coaching, they'll treat it like they're watching Sportscenter.
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Post by biggus3 on Oct 10, 2014 8:10:54 GMT -6
Even as a strength coach, I would choose film in season. We use position specific work sheets to help kids deal with the "sportscenter effect." We started that this year and the kids seem to be much more detail oriented when we talk about our opponents, so I feel like it is working.
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Post by fantom on Oct 10, 2014 9:06:13 GMT -6
If you could only do one if these during the season, which would you and why? I don't understand why it has to be one or the other. We don't have a weight lifting class but we watch film of our game as a team and lift twice a week in-season.
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Post by bigm0073 on Oct 10, 2014 11:03:19 GMT -6
Why not both?
We lift everyday Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday - 2:25 - 2:45
Film Everyday from 2:50 - 3:15..
On the field at 3:30 for practice until 5:30...
We also do film after practice too...
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Post by tigercoach11 on Oct 10, 2014 11:07:59 GMT -6
Weights....we don't watch very much film on our opponents anymore anyways (as a team...I watch a TON). We watch a little in "0" hour (before school) Monday and Tuesday but really spend more time covering adjustments on board and have kids putting it in notebooks. Total time on film a week may be 30 minutes.
With that said about film on opponents, we do not feel the same about film on us. Meet Sat morning lift/run then spend quite a bit of time grading ourselves on film from the night before.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 11:23:11 GMT -6
Even as a strength coach, I would choose film in season. We use position specific work sheets to help kids deal with the "sportscenter effect." We started that this year and the kids seem to be much more detail oriented when we talk about our opponents, so I feel like it is working. I really like the idea of the worksheets. Would you care to give an example of what one looks like?
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Post by coachklee on Oct 10, 2014 13:28:07 GMT -6
Even as a strength coach, I would choose film in season. We use position specific work sheets to help kids deal with the "sportscenter effect." We started that this year and the kids seem to be much more detail oriented when we talk about our opponents, so I feel like it is working. I really like the idea of the worksheets. Would you care to give an example of what one looks like? Just a quick example...preferably for OL or DL! : )
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Post by biggus3 on Oct 11, 2014 9:25:26 GMT -6
Even as a strength coach, I would choose film in season. We use position specific work sheets to help kids deal with the "sportscenter effect." We started that this year and the kids seem to be much more detail oriented when we talk about our opponents, so I feel like it is working. I really like the idea of the worksheets. Would you care to give an example of what one looks like? I made the linebacker worksheet and it starts out by identifying the teams offensive philosophy and determining the top three plays that lbs need to stop in order to win they then write down three examples of hudl clips of teams defending those plays well and poorly. It then goes into general formation/dd tendencies as we'll as redzone stuff. We give them an opportunity to voice their opinion as how to stop somethings. If a linebacker believes he can get their on a specific blitz and it's not completely idiotic will give it a shot. It gives them a little ownership of what is happening in the field. We then look at their o line as group and identify the "mommas boy" we can pick on with examples as well as finding their stud they like to run behind with examples. I like this because it forces them to focus on their guard reads and how they block up plays. This section is where they really watch each play multiple times and it burns into their head what the other team is going to do
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Post by coach2013 on Oct 12, 2014 18:19:39 GMT -6
weights, that is our football program
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Post by paulfrantz on Oct 13, 2014 6:40:49 GMT -6
Like some of the others, I'm trying to figure out if this is reality, or if you are just trying to find out what we think is more important. For us I would say weightlifting hands down. While I love film study with the kids, I feel I can coach it on the practice field.
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Post by coachjd on Oct 17, 2014 19:22:52 GMT -6
LIFT!!!! We Lift 3 days per week at 7am!! All our kids in school have iPads so we do very detailed cutups with our kids and share them. We give our kids worksheets to answer off of the film, so they do 90% of film on their own and we lift in the mornings. Never interferes with our practice time.
9th grade lifts after practice.
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Post by coachdawhip on Oct 20, 2014 8:10:24 GMT -6
The question is if you had to pick 1?
No one said this was a real situation or what we did..
Which do you think is more important to your kids during the season.
For me it would be film.
Most of my kids are in weight training anyway, but IF I could only pick 1, film.
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