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Post by jackedup on Feb 11, 2007 13:45:30 GMT -6
As being a member on here for a while and reading all the posts by you guys, I would really like some input by the people I believe coach for the right reasons...
When coaching for a head coach, how much of his philosophy of how a program should work and his values matter to you?
Without getting into my dilema, this question is weighing heavily on me and my future with this team... Please thoughts would be appreciated!
Thanks in advance, Jackedup
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Post by phantom on Feb 11, 2007 14:08:21 GMT -6
If you have serious, irreconcilable differences with the HC I don't see how you can stay.
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Post by crl on Feb 11, 2007 14:21:37 GMT -6
Be happy, be at ease with yourself, enjoy the benefit and joy of coaching. If this is not happening and you feel tired of your futile attempts to make improvements, then leave knowing full well that you did your best.
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Post by ajreaper on Feb 11, 2007 14:23:37 GMT -6
If it is not a matter of integrity or professional conduct seriously consider staying- you can learn a great deal from those who's philospy's are contrary to your own- some good new stuff or it reinforces why you do not agree with that philosphy, either way you can grow as a coach. That being said if you cannot do so with 100% effort and honestly sell to your players you believe and trust in the system then you must leave.
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Post by playfast on Feb 11, 2007 14:50:54 GMT -6
I believe you must believe in the philosphy or his style of coaching. Great teams are coached by staffs that all buy into the vision of the program. You must believe in what the HC is doing or I suggest finding a situation where you believe in the system and overall philosophy.
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Post by wingman on Feb 11, 2007 15:54:52 GMT -6
Same here. If you can't be on board, he shouldn't have you on staff. Better a coach that is clueless than one who gives off signals to players that he doesn't believe in what you are doing. You can win doing a ton of different things if you are all pulling together. Lastly, having been an assistant, coordinator and HC, you hav eno idea of what he deals with until you have been there.
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Feb 11, 2007 16:14:43 GMT -6
From a head coach's point of view, an assistant who disagrees with the philosophy and/or schemes of the head coach is not the problem. It is the assistant who can not handle these differences in a cooperative manner that creates problems. You will not be completely sold on every aspect of his program. How many assistants say "when I am a head coach, I will do that differently"? Most assistants have these thoughts cross their minds. This is where a productive staff sees the differences in thought, understands the differences, discusses the pros and cons, makes a decision, and presents a united front. Remember--the head coach has the vision for the team. I see two areas of concern that may cause you to seriously look elsewhere. 1) Can you voice your opinions, have them seriously considered, and be comfortable with the head coach's decision (a majority of the time)? 2) Can you implement that vision without feeling serious doubt and/or showing displeasure to staff, parents, or players? If you answered "no" to either question, I would look elsewhere. There are plenty of coaching personalities, schemes, and philosophies out there. You have to find the one that you can be passionate about.
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Post by jackedup on Feb 11, 2007 17:05:39 GMT -6
Coaches thank you for your responses....
I do agree with our offensive and defensive philosophies... when I say philosophy, I'm referring to his lack of concern for coaching the "whole player"... grades, behavior, skills, etc. I'm also referring to his philosophy as a coach...
THoughts, now?
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Post by wingman on Feb 11, 2007 19:54:05 GMT -6
Same thing. Regardless of the issue. Almost nothing creates more problems on a team than players seeing coaches disagree and asst coaches who undermine the HC.
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Feb 11, 2007 20:43:04 GMT -6
Same thoughts as before.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2007 9:19:27 GMT -6
Gotta ask yourself this: "Do I want to see this man win championships and achieve his goals?" DON'T think about the team, think about the coach. Do you want to see HIM achieve these things?
If you don't really want to see this guy succeed, do both of you a favor and get out. If you want to see him win, then deal with the differences.
But you see, we all want the kids to win and to succeed, so throw them out of the equation. Think about him for a second. Will you be genuinely happy to see him win or if you lose will you say, "I feel bad for the kids, but not for him."
I want my head coach to win and I'll knock myself out to help him win games. I believe our guy is a good coach and a great man and I'm proud to be on his staff.
Dissention is tricky because we all think that it can be hidden, but it can't be. If it's there, it's there.
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Post by dubber on Feb 12, 2007 10:09:26 GMT -6
If you have ethical problems with how he handles this situation (he is a teacher who makes up grades so his players are eligible, or he doesn't care if they go out Friday drinking and driving as long as they keep running a 4.5 forty, etc.) then you need to move on.
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Post by tedseay on Feb 13, 2007 5:32:19 GMT -6
But you see, we all want the kids to win and to succeed, so throw them out of the equation. Coach: Excellent point.
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Post by coachveer on Feb 13, 2007 6:10:24 GMT -6
If there are issues that your can't resolve with after meeting with the HC. Then it may be time for you to move on.
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Post by khalfie on Feb 13, 2007 13:18:04 GMT -6
Coaches thank you for your responses.... I do agree with our offensive and defensive philosophies... when I say philosophy, I'm referring to his lack of concern for coaching the "whole player"... grades, behavior, skills, etc. I'm also referring to his philosophy as a coach... THoughts, now? Most coaches are very flexible with the program, when its not dealing with their x's and o's. In regards to coaching the whole player, I'm sure if you came with a plan, and volunteered to take the lead, I'm sure he probably wouldn't have a problem with it... However, if you, "are coaching the coach", finding more work for him to do, another job for him to handle... I can see where the conflict exists... When talking about "assistant coaches", you are talking about assets to the head coach... not "yes men", but " confidants", who are idea men, listening boards, and even devil advocates, but more importantly, they aren't emotional, don't take the relationship personal, and at all times, recognize the HC's name is on the program, and his decision is final.
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