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Post by wingtol on Sept 10, 2014 6:25:30 GMT -6
So as I was eating dinner after getting the kids to bed and all that fun last night I started watching something on TV, can't even remember what now. As I was sitting there I almost felt guilty that I wasn't watching film or breaking something down, got a new ipad from school so now it's even easier to access and watch film at home, almost like I wasn't doing my job as a coach because I wasn't doing something football related. Anyone else ever feel with all the technology advances in the last few years that there is almost more pressure to be watching film or what not?
When I started not to long ago being able to take film home was a process because you had to make copies of the vhs tape or take the only copy and could only watch it when you were in front of the tv with a vcr, now it just seems with HUDL that there is almost a pressure to be watching all the time. And really what can you possibly pick up after watching the same thing like 50 times! Maybe I am the only one I don't know just was wondering if anyone else ran into this or if I am just going psycho this season LOL
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Post by tekart on Sept 10, 2014 6:42:24 GMT -6
Coach it is not just you. I think hearing about coaches who spend countless hours watching film and breaking down opponents has made it seem like if we don't spend every waking minute watching film or drawing up practice plans we are less of a coach. For sanity's sake I try to step away and spend time with the family or do something that is not football related.
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Post by NC1974 on Sept 10, 2014 7:12:55 GMT -6
This is a great question. I don't have the answers but I do have other questions:
-Why did we get into coaching in the first place? I'm guessing many of us would answer something along the lines of having positive impact on the kids, along with loving the game of course. I guess I believe that you can be great, effective coach and role model without watching film every waking minute.
-At what point does the law of diminishing returns kick in? At what point does watching film just become information overload? It seems like the KISS principle works well here. It seems like good coaches and programs have their key things they're looking for on film i.e. top 3 plays, down tendencies etc. Once you've got those things does watching more film just make you more neurotic?
-Is there still a cultural pressure to "outwork" everyone else and can it go too far?
-Does wanting time to decompress i.e. read a book, watch tv, mean you're lazy or is does this "decompression" time actually make you more effective in your working hours because you are not burned out. This kind of reminds me of the some of the philosophies on strength training. You can either go really hard a few times a week with recovery days built in or you can go moderately hard every day. You can't go really hard all of the time. I thing that pertains to mental energy as well.
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Post by smfreeman on Sept 10, 2014 7:14:23 GMT -6
I truly believe that in the high school and lower level game the key is player execution at least in my state that is what I see as the difference between the good teams and bad (after you get past the good player bad player issue). In my opinion it is important to watch film to get designs that will put your best players with good match ups and get you in the best position possible but what I see is no matter how much film you watch your players must be able to execute what you need them to do. Football all boils down to tackling, blocking, and turnovers.
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 10, 2014 9:53:08 GMT -6
I love watching hours of film, but I get to information overload after awhile. Usually by the meeting time on Sunday, after entering all the breakdown data over the weekend, I don't really have a need to sit and watch the film as a staff like our HC/DC wants to do.
I do think that there is a pressure to 'outwork' everyone. But that is the atmosphere that WE have created. For example, there is a very successful program (MANY state championships) and the staff is catching a lot of heat because the perception is that the staff doesn't 'do what everyone else is doing'.
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Post by dubber on Sept 10, 2014 12:43:44 GMT -6
I realized that it wasn't what I knew, it what our kids could know (and execute) that matters.
So, I have cut down film study immensely.
In our staff meetings, we spend more time on situations and practice scripting than anything else.
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Post by dubber on Sept 10, 2014 12:49:59 GMT -6
I will add that I am a BIG fan of our kids watching film.
That is one of the best things about Hudl, is the ability to track their film habits.
I think you can tie the muscle memory stuff we do each week to the subconscious recognition that comes from hours of mental reps.
That really is what happens when we watch hours of film as coaches......we can "feel" (really, recognize) when this play or that blitz is coming.
The problem is, you don't play.
One thing I do think is helpful AFTER all the break down (D and D, situationals, etc.) are done is for the coordinator to sit down and watch a game, no rewinds, all the way through and make their calls for those situations.
On 3rd and 2, I would call this.......especially helpful when the non-opponent teams runs a scheme similar to yours.
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Post by freezeoption on Sept 10, 2014 20:35:23 GMT -6
I was thinking of this last weekend when I took the family somewhere last weekend. I have seven kids, two are gone but the rest take a lot of time. I also teach and have six preps. I am busy with all that then the duties that go with hfc. I watch film three or four times through the week. Before kids I broke everything down to the smallest details. Now, I mainly look for matchups, alignments, formations and plays from formations. That's it, I get that in three viewings. I don't use all the things on Hudl, probably should, but when my four year old ask me to read her a book or lay down with her, I will take that over film. In a couple of years she won't want to do that and I don't want to miss that. I guess after 23 years of coaching, and missing out on some of kids events, I realize that the players are going to play, I will get them ready and try to put them in the best position to win, but I only get a short time with my kids and I don't want to miss that.
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Post by fantom on Sept 10, 2014 20:41:55 GMT -6
So as I was eating dinner after getting the kids to bed and all that fun last night I started watching something on TV, can't even remember what now. As I was sitting there I almost felt guilty that I wasn't watching film or breaking something down, got a new ipad from school so now it's even easier to access and watch film at home, almost like I wasn't doing my job as a coach because I wasn't doing something football related. Anyone else ever feel with all the technology advances in the last few years that there is almost more pressure to be watching film or what not? When I started not to long ago being able to take film home was a process because you had to make copies of the vhs tape or take the only copy and could only watch it when you were in front of the tv with a vcr, now it just seems with HUDL that there is almost a pressure to be watching all the time. And really what can you possibly pick up after watching the same thing like 50 times! Maybe I am the only one I don't know just was wondering if anyone else ran into this or if I am just going psycho this season LOL Do you feel that you're prepared? If you are what good will watching another couple minutes of film do you? |
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Post by wingtol on Sept 10, 2014 20:56:48 GMT -6
So as I was eating dinner after getting the kids to bed and all that fun last night I started watching something on TV, can't even remember what now. As I was sitting there I almost felt guilty that I wasn't watching film or breaking something down, got a new ipad from school so now it's even easier to access and watch film at home, almost like I wasn't doing my job as a coach because I wasn't doing something football related. Anyone else ever feel with all the technology advances in the last few years that there is almost more pressure to be watching film or what not? When I started not to long ago being able to take film home was a process because you had to make copies of the vhs tape or take the only copy and could only watch it when you were in front of the tv with a vcr, now it just seems with HUDL that there is almost a pressure to be watching all the time. And really what can you possibly pick up after watching the same thing like 50 times! Maybe I am the only one I don't know just was wondering if anyone else ran into this or if I am just going psycho this season LOL Do you feel that you're prepared? If you are what good will watching another couple minutes of film do you? Oh yeah I feel prepared and confidant, my point was just with the ease of access to film I almost had like a mini-panic attack that I wasn't watching enough! LOL |
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Post by fantom on Sept 10, 2014 21:02:02 GMT -6
Do you feel that you're prepared? If you are what good will watching another couple minutes of film do you? Oh yeah I feel prepared and confidant, my point was just with the ease of access to film I almost had like a mini-panic attack that I wasn't watching enough! LOL After a while the hay's in the bar, man. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 11, 2014 7:27:44 GMT -6
re Hudl: I like seeing the kid that was begging for a playbook (we don't give one out) hasn't signed on since late August.
Sat/Sun I feel the pressure to work 24-7. I take a break Sunday for yoga, Saturday night to go out with the soon-to-be wife and my family. I don't watch during lunch and dinner. But I do watch more than I probably should. Usually meet with DC in my office for 3 hours (also do laundry then) Saturday. He's a church goer so we don't meet Sunday- just google hangout the info.
I try to find places to go where I can't watch Hudl. Labor Day weekend I went to a minor league baseball game with my dad to get away from Hudl/my notebooks. I'll go to a college game to get away from them too.
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Post by coachfloyd on Sept 11, 2014 12:21:00 GMT -6
When my kids are awake I try my best to be home with them. But after they go to sleep Im almost always watching film. I don't feel pressure from anybody to do it, I just want to. We are SBV so watching opponents film is really a waste of time but I do it anyway. I try and get my hands on as many films as I can and watch them over and over. I dont expect everyone else on staff to do it, its just my personal preference.
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Post by fantom on Sept 11, 2014 12:27:59 GMT -6
Do you guys find that it's easier preparing for the better teams (assuming that this isn't the first time you've played them)? For example, next week we play a team whose coach has been there for almost 40 years, has over 400 wins, and 12 state championships. Great coach, great team but I've coached against them over 40 times. Rather than watching the film repeatedly to get a feel for them, I'll be watching to see if they're doing anything differently.
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Post by coachfloyd on Sept 12, 2014 8:21:07 GMT -6
Do you guys find that it's easier preparing for the better teams (assuming that this isn't the first time you've played them)? For example, next week we play a team whose coach has been there for almost 40 years, has over 400 wins, and 12 state championships. Great coach, great team but I've coached against them over 40 times. Rather than watching the film repeatedly to get a feel for them, I'll be watching to see if they're doing anything differently. I think so. You can watch a good team and know almost immediately what they are trying to do defensively or at least what their philosophy is. Other teams you watch and you think, this makes no sense. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 12, 2014 8:38:27 GMT -6
By about 3-4th time, I have a pretty good feel for the other team, especially if it is a regular opponent.
After that I am usually watching film to see if I can find something off the wall like does the film guy check out the yummy mummies in the stands, rooster poops throwing the kicking balls behind the bench, if they have a midget on the team, how well the band does the chicken dance, coaches getting wiped out on the toss sweep to the boundary, the cheerleader pyramid taking a tumble, fans fighting in the stands, and the like.
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Post by msirishman on Sept 12, 2014 10:03:20 GMT -6
I find it easier prepping for the better teams. They are just better and it's easier to see/know what they want to do or what their philosophy is. Like tonight, we play a team that isn't very good and while they are kind of consistent in what they do, they also do some random things that lead me to believe they have other random things they will do. Where as next week, we play a very good team and I don't even need to watch film to know what they are going to do and they aren't going to stray too far from themselves, they are just going to do it better than you and if they can't, I know their adjustments, etc. And addition to the film watching question: I find my self watching more practice film during the week than I do game film. We have to get better at being us, we just apply what we do to who we play. Agree. Some of the teams we play, it is hard to even figure out what play they are running. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 12, 2014 10:16:00 GMT -6
Also hard to figure out if the team your playing that is struggling, whether or not they might scrap what they schematically shown on film for something totally different.
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Post by dubber on Sept 12, 2014 11:59:40 GMT -6
Also hard to figure out if the team your playing that is struggling, whether or not they might scrap what they schematically shown on film for something totally different.
This is why we feel focusing on ourselves is more important.
I would rather make sure we have practice structured so that we hit as many scenarios as possible.
We are facing a 5-2 team tonight, but in the past they have gone defense of the week on us.
So, our inside run script had 4-3, 5-2, bear, 6-1, etc. on it.
I feel confident that if you want to stop us from running Power, it will be through jimmies and joes and solid technique, not by confusing us to create run throughs.
THAT, is more important to us.
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Post by coach2013 on Sept 15, 2014 9:16:29 GMT -6
So as I was eating dinner after getting the kids to bed and all that fun last night I started watching something on TV, can't even remember what now. As I was sitting there I almost felt guilty that I wasn't watching film or breaking something down, got a new ipad from school so now it's even easier to access and watch film at home, almost like I wasn't doing my job as a coach because I wasn't doing something football related. Anyone else ever feel with all the technology advances in the last few years that there is almost more pressure to be watching film or what not? When I started not to long ago being able to take film home was a process because you had to make copies of the vhs tape or take the only copy and could only watch it when you were in front of the tv with a vcr, now it just seems with HUDL that there is almost a pressure to be watching all the time. And really what can you possibly pick up after watching the same thing like 50 times! Maybe I am the only one I don't know just was wondering if anyone else ran into this or if I am just going psycho this season LOL I watch the film 4 times in 4 days.
Friday night- watch and see what happened vs what I thought happened Saturday am- watch with the team, show them what happened vs what should have happened Sunday- gives me a chance to do all of our stats and stickers for the week. Monday morning- before work, watch as a fan if we won.
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