coachh
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Post by coachh on Nov 9, 2007 13:05:56 GMT -6
players play another sport?
Or should I say Highly encourage!!
I encourage it but believe it is up to the players. I have coaches on my staff that make their Linemen throw the shot put because he is a line coach.
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Post by darebelcoach on Nov 9, 2007 13:17:06 GMT -6
I let the kids decide....they have two options....one is play another sport, the second is to work out......all I tell them is that if they do not play another sport...they MUST work out!!!!! Most of my kids decide to work out!!!
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Post by superpower on Nov 9, 2007 13:18:32 GMT -6
We highly encourage being a 3-sport athlete.
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Post by darebelcoach on Nov 9, 2007 13:21:17 GMT -6
I think having football players play other sports is good because it helps them keep them involved in COMPETITION and keeps there competitive/game juices flowing but I do not make my kids play another sport, they decide on their own
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 9, 2007 13:32:42 GMT -6
We are a small school. We have to have multi sport athletes to field competitive teams. Although our Baseball Coach seems to think his players need to play year round ... Don't get me started on that. Most of our guys do play at least 2 sports and a lot do 3.
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Post by bhb on Nov 9, 2007 14:28:27 GMT -6
We are a small school. We have to have multi sport athletes to field competitive teams. Although our Baseball Coach seems to think his players need to play year round ... Don't get me started on that. Most of our guys do play at least 2 sports and a lot do 3. Yeah, that seems to be prevalent in baseball- at least moreso than the other sports.. We want our kids to play as many sports as possible, but like mentioned above, if they're not playing another sport they have to be lifting..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2007 14:40:26 GMT -6
In IL, it's more basketball coaches that emphasize the "need" for year round commitments.
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Post by aztec on Nov 9, 2007 14:43:55 GMT -6
It is up to each kid if they are playing another sport or not. Myself and our HC are the throws coaches so most of our guys are throwing and lifting with us. Our kids are required to lift in the off-season with us if they are not in another sport. The kids in other sports see the other guys getting bigger and stronger and many times unless the kid is a stud in another sport will focus on just football and lifting.
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Post by tog on Nov 9, 2007 14:50:42 GMT -6
they better be in track
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Post by wingt74 on Nov 9, 2007 15:28:24 GMT -6
Basketball is excellent for footwork
Wrestling for toughness and balance
Track for endurance
Soccer...no
Baseball - I don't discourage...but, to me, while it's a heck of a talent to pitch, hit, and defend...I don't think kids develop much from a physical stand point. Anyone want to prove me wrong? I watch baseball games, and other than the pitcher and catcher, it's 90% standing around.
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Post by rbsuknow on Nov 10, 2007 10:58:04 GMT -6
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Post by jraybern on Nov 10, 2007 11:41:26 GMT -6
I'm with the "they better be in track" group. Maybe its because I am also the head track coach. Mostly it is because I believe in the value of speed. We play 8man football where speed is a bigger asset than size (strength is always the most important thing - to me). The last thing I told the guys at our wrapup meeting was that I expect them to be commited to getting better in the offseason if they expect to play next year. I asked who was playing BB and then who was wrestling. I then called out the guys one by one who didn't raise their hand for either and asked what they are doing to get better. A couple of them said lifting. So I said good, you can come in at 6:00 a.m. and lift with me One of those guys changed his mind and is playing BB now I want them doing something. We have a couple of sloths on the team who will never play because all they do is FB. They don't lift in the offseason, they don't run. Other sports FORCE them to be commited to getting better. We are a small school and cannot have FB specific workouts all year long. Or rather we do - its called BB and track.
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Post by dacoachmo on Nov 10, 2007 12:10:23 GMT -6
those that play THREE sports...how do you get weight training in? PE class? am workouts?
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Post by silkyice on Nov 10, 2007 14:19:40 GMT -6
I want them on our workout program , our plyo program, our agility program, our sprint program. After they do that in first block, more power to them in playing other sports.
I love them competing in other things, but only if they want.
I had a backup qb ask me if he should tryout for baseball. I said, "yes." Then he told me that he was just looking for something to do. I then told him that he should only play if he wanted, and that he needs to talk with the baseball coach about it. I told the baseball coach about our conservaton and he was in complete agreement with me. Don't play to stay in shape or have something to do. Play because you want.
I think that using other sports to get them better in football is not the way to go. I have found that I can increase speed a lot more than the track coach can. I have found that wrestling kills them because they lose so much weight. But if they want to compete in something, then they definitely should. But, they are still going to lift with us!!!
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 10, 2007 16:37:44 GMT -6
our HC is also the wrestling HC and he really encourages our guys to wrestle, he really thinks it is huge for their agility, balace, and toughness. Only thing i like about it is all the shooting wrestlers practice. thats like repping hundreds if not thousands of tackles in the offseason
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 10, 2007 16:40:55 GMT -6
Silky--I agree with you that playing sports to improve your football skills is not the way to go. Playing other sports because you enjoy other sports IS the way to go.
I see lots of support for running track...and I have to again agree with silkyice with regards to it not being as beneficial to football as a more speed specific offseason training program would be. Track practices are about refining techniques in a closed environment. It is about running LOWER times, not about getting faster (obviously increasing footspeed is a good way to go about doing this. But so are starts from blocks, anticipation, structured strides...all things that don't happen as frequently in football)
I do have a question about your lifting philosophy though. What if the Basketball and Baseball coaches have the same philosophy...he better do OUR offseason program while inseason during another sport......
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Post by silkyice on Nov 10, 2007 17:57:43 GMT -6
I do have a question about your lifting philosophy though. What if the Basketball and Baseball coaches have the same philosophy...he better do OUR offseason program while inseason during another sport...... Great question. That is why it is best to be unified as a program. Everybody lifts all year, and then there are no problems. I am lucky to be in that situation, but that was also part of me accepting the job in the first place. By the way, I don't want the athletes to lift at the expense of the basketball team or baseball team or track just the benefit of football. I want them to lift to become a better athlete in all the sports!!! We lift hard during football anyway, but I would actually be impressed if the basketball coach or baseball coach wanted them to workout during football season. I think in most places, not all, the football workout is more beneficial than any other team workout and most coaches know that. If for instance though, the baseball coach wanted us to do his workout during football, I would sit down and find out what he wanted and then show him what we do, and possibly add in a few exercises to help him out. By the way, there are a few exercises that I do with the whole football team that are very baseball specific. (Power twists, core stuff, and rotator cuff stuff). But the main things for all athletes are bench, squat, cleans, core, plyos, agilities, and sprinting for speed. We back off on all the in-season guys on the plyos, agilities, and sprinting.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 10, 2007 18:31:00 GMT -6
If they're not in another sport- they'd better get their a$$es in the weight room. We've really emphasized it this year; if you expect to play, then we expect you to either participate in another sport or get in the weight room.
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Post by dgs on Nov 10, 2007 19:32:44 GMT -6
For the coaches that say participate in another sport or get in the weight room, don't you guys have weight classes already? I just thought that school weight classes are the norm; perhaps not. We highly encourage our players to do other sports. The other coaches in the school do likewise. Our BB coach is a hard nosed type that wants his players in football. He likes how it makes his pretty boys more physical.
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 10, 2007 20:14:19 GMT -6
we have weight training classes but not every kid has them. We really wanna get a weight training class for all football players so we can lift, have meetings, and watch film together without taking away from class time, but admin wont let it happen.
I prefer the kids lift with me rather than in class because i know in class they are just B.S.ing the whole time
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Post by CoachDaniel on Nov 10, 2007 20:20:07 GMT -6
Weight lifting classes are not the norm here. We expect everyone to be doing something year-round. I'm the assistant wrestling coach and our middle school coach is the track coach, and we work our weight program in with these sports. Basketball and baseball guys are lost to us til the season is over.
Wrestlers don't just lose weight. Great sport for competition, balance, etc. as mentioned before. Our head coach knows that the football players wrestle at the weight they are at, no on cuts weight.
Quick question on the weight classes. All of your kids do not have any other classes they want/need to take? They all have one period/block where they can just lift weights, for four years?
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Post by deaux68 on Nov 10, 2007 20:23:16 GMT -6
I don't ever remember seeing a football/baseball player that wasn't well coordinated. Our baseball workouts in high school were tough because we did a horrendous ab/core workout.
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 10, 2007 20:56:24 GMT -6
not all the kids can take it, some kids have weights, some dont.
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Post by phantom on Nov 10, 2007 22:15:06 GMT -6
For the coaches that say participate in another sport or get in the weight room, don't you guys have weight classes already? I just thought that school weight classes are the norm; perhaps not. We highly encourage our players to do other sports. The other coaches in the school do likewise. Our BB coach is a hard nosed type that wants his players in football. He likes how it makes his pretty boys more physical. Weight classes are definitely not the norm around the country. Neither are athletic periods.
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Post by smu92 on Nov 11, 2007 14:08:48 GMT -6
I will go to my grave believing that all of your bigs should wrestle and throw the shot put and discus. Wrestling makes them tougher (hardest thing I've ever done), teaches them leverage, teaches them to fight for something, and strengthens them (pushing around 285 lb. kids all day). Throwing is probably the best thing for teaching a kid how to explode, how to control their bodies, and how to move quickly in small spaces. I may be partial because that is what my background is, but I've seen it work in my life and the lives of countless others. Just my two cents.
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Post by warrior53 on Nov 11, 2007 14:15:45 GMT -6
Countless? - you keep using that whord, I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Post by smu92 on Nov 12, 2007 20:22:54 GMT -6
shun the non-believer.
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Post by schultbear74 on Nov 12, 2007 21:03:48 GMT -6
I like the idea of a unified program. I think that all athletes should lift and that the athletic department from the Superintendent, to the principal, to the AD, to the HC's and to the assistant coaches you should all be on the same page. I like to believe that they are our athletes (not just football, basketball, baseball or track athletes) and that we want to do what is best for them. For schools that do not have the flexibility to have all athletes in a PE lifting class, it gets harder. Years ago I saw a great program at Ben Davis High School in Indianapolis that took care of their athletes, but few schools can do what they do as well as they do it. Then the question becomes the kid's time. He/she is still a student. My son is a prime example. He is the starting quarterback on the varsity squad, next semester he does not have a strength class and is being recruited to come out for basketball, baseball and track. When will he get to lift? When will he get to study? When will he get to be a kid? A good athletic program should be up to the task of answering these questions. So few can.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 13, 2007 14:37:05 GMT -6
I will go to my grave believing that all of your bigs should wrestle and throw the shot put and discus. Wrestling makes them tougher (hardest thing I've ever done), teaches them leverage, teaches them to fight for something, and strengthens them (pushing around 285 lb. kids all day). Throwing is probably the best thing for teaching a kid how to explode, how to control their bodies, and how to move quickly in small spaces. I may be partial because that is what my background is, but I've seen it work in my life and the lives of countless others. Just my two cents. I will agree with you on some parts of your beliefs. Wrestling's most important carryover to football would be the toughness and accountability it adds to the kids. Also the full body conditioning and core strength/ full body strength is an added bonus. No excuses, no places to hide. The man in the mirror is the one who got pinned, there are no "I thought, I heard, I saw" As far as the more physically specific things you mentioned, I would argue those are all sport-specific. COUNTLESS ..lol..studies have shown that sport specific traits and actions are only noticeably improved by performing those sport specific actions (Read: gliding through the circle does not noticeably improve getting of the ball. Practicing getting off the ball improves getting of the ball. ) Bottom line, kids should wrestle because they want to wrestle, they should throw because they want to throw.
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Post by CoachDaniel on Nov 13, 2007 23:05:13 GMT -6
Bottom line, kids should wrestle because they want to wrestle, they should throw because they want to throw. Agreed, 'forcing' kids into sports isn't going to help anything. I know with wrestling, if they didn't like it they would just be flopping around on the mat, faking injuries, and end up burned out by the time we really needed them. But I'm the DC and wrestling coach. So there's a few kids every year who didn't KNOW they wanted to be a wrestler until they were told... ;D
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