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Post by touchdowng on Apr 7, 2007 22:19:12 GMT -6
Anyone have any success stories regarding your FB Boosters in fundraising for coaching stipends?
We took a reduction from budget cuts and have had to turn to our boosters to help us out with raising some funds. I don't like asking parents to help with raising funds for this but if we are going to retain quality coaches, we need to pay them for their time.
Let me know if this is a successful adventure for you and your boosters and how you are structuring it.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 8, 2007 6:10:02 GMT -6
TDG--the last school i helped with had a GREAT booster club. They provided the stipends for the freshman level coaches since the school district limited the amount of coaches it would pay for. I think that is an outstanding way to help develop your staff when your district is a bit short on funds.
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Post by coachjd on Apr 8, 2007 6:39:52 GMT -6
We had a coaching position cut 2 years ago and now are in the process of funding it ourselves. I have a couple of local guys who love sports and will do about anything to help. Here are a couple of things they are going to do to raise 2000.00 for this coaching position. We are going to have a fishing tourney on one of the local lakes. Everything is catch and release and will have different awards for different variety of fish, etc.... they are charging 50.00 per man or 150.00 per boat. We will provide some beverages and burgers and dogs after the fishing.
They also had some local businesses purchase some Minnesota twins tickets, Minnesota Wild tickets and Gopher football tickets and are putting together some gaming boards. Each slot on the board will be 5.00 and there are 100 slots on the board. So they will make 1500.00 just selling the slots on the boards and we are hoping to make another 2000.00 on the fishing. We will be able to bank some money for next year.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 8, 2007 7:00:28 GMT -6
My new school district only has 3 paid coaches- including the head. Our boosters don't raise money for the coaches- we do that- but they are very generous in helping us pay for equipment, clinics, etc.
Personally I think you should keep your boosters out of paying for coaches. You may have a responsible group doing it now that won't abuse that power, but it would be naive to believe that will go on forever.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 8, 2007 7:51:38 GMT -6
Larrymoe- The money is simply taken from the booster general fund. The same as if you bought a sled, chutes, bags, etc.
I wouldn't think finding that funding from the boosters would lead to any type of "ownership" of the coaches from the boosters...at least not any more than they already hold by virtue of being parents.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 8, 2007 19:59:48 GMT -6
Hey, I've personally never had to deal with a booster club like that, I'm just passing on what some people have told me. Let the boosters contribute to the program in any way, just keep them out of the payroll business. If you have a system that works, God bless you. You must have some really great parents.
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Post by Coach Huey on Apr 8, 2007 22:08:01 GMT -6
That would be illegal here in Texas. Of course, that's not to say it never occurs ... lol  jk |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 8, 2007 22:27:01 GMT -6
Huey--what is the difference between a booster buying a sled, and a program paying for a coach...or the program paying for the sled, and the booster paying for the coach? A couple grand is a couple grand.
Can you explain the rationale behind the Texas rule on that?
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Post by Coach Huey on Apr 8, 2007 22:34:07 GMT -6
Can you explain the rationale behind the Texas rule on that? If there is a coach here in Texas that can explain the rationale behind the UIL on any issue, I would like to meet that guy. haha I just know that there are certain things a booster club can purchase for a school and some things they cannot. A booster club is severely limited in what "compensation" or "gifts" they can give coaches. It is complicated (like just about everything with the UIL). |
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Post by coachbw on Apr 8, 2007 23:48:37 GMT -6
I am not sure whether or not this is true, but I have been told by a couple of administrators (in different places) that many schools frown on boosters paying coaches because they aren't really district employees, and thus not covered under a schools insurance. I am not sure if this is right, because under this line of thought volunteers would also not be covered insurance wise, but it is what I have been told.
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Post by bulldogoption on Apr 9, 2007 10:23:11 GMT -6
I think the reason districts and/or boosters frown on this type of thing is liability issues.
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Post by playfast on Apr 9, 2007 11:56:03 GMT -6
Yes the coach must be approved by the board of education for insurance reasons. Also, a lot of schools feel that an outside source paying coaches is against the law because their is not a set salary guide approved by the school budget. My school has policies that state booster clubs can only get things for the kids such as sleds, t shirts, pre game meals not anyhting for the coaches.
Well known and successful coach got fired this off season because he had the footrball boosters paying coaches that were not board approved.
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Post by CVBears on Apr 9, 2007 13:16:51 GMT -6
Washington state allows this practice.
I definitely do see the point of why not to let the boosters help with stipends. How many teachers out there have heard a parent say something to the effect of, "...I'm a tax payer...I pay your salary..." etc. I could definitely see where this could become a very slippery slope. But at the same time, it sure would be nice to pay some of our volunteer coaches the same amount that is already determined by the district.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 9, 2007 13:55:45 GMT -6
I would think a possible reason why boosters wouldn't be able to pay (in theory) is income tax issues.
However, i would argue this is a form vs substance debate. For those whose districts do not allow such payments, are your coaches paid from the football budget or teaching budget.
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Post by touchdowng on Apr 9, 2007 22:51:43 GMT -6
Just to clear this up for our situation. Our district actually has contract language which allows for fund raising (by boosters or the coaching staff) to pay stipends to volunteer coaches - a little of an oxymoron - paid volunteers - but here is how it works.
The money must be deposited with the district no later than 2 weeks before the season begins. Part of the money will be used to pay taxes and employee benefits and the overall stipend cannot be more than 50% of the head coach base stipend amount. There is no limitated to how many stipends may be raised. Our goal is two.
However, our state's athletic association is beginning a movement to stop booster clubs from raising any stipend monies. This is a reaction to one of our more affluent areas that have a high school where the FB Boosters have raised over $55,000/year for their head coach. Nothing illegal but there is an opinion that this is unfair to other programs.
Every state has different guidelines, I'm just looking for those who have had success with their boosters in raising a few coaching stipends.
Thanks for the feedback so far!
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Post by coachcb on Apr 10, 2007 6:22:19 GMT -6
I wouldn't want compensation from the boosters, EVER. Around here, it'd just be another way for them to control the program. In this district, the boosters dictate what goes on in health enhancement classrooms if they've ponied up money for any of the equipment.
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Post by playfast on Apr 10, 2007 8:05:05 GMT -6
Some schools in my area will not even allow volunteer coaches or if they do they would have to go through the whole process of finger printing, county sub certificate and things of that nature. Schools make it very difficult to have volunteers.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 10, 2007 8:43:54 GMT -6
coachcb...again I ask, what is the difference between the district paying 2500 as a stipend, and the boosters buying a 2500 sled.....OR the boosters paying a stipend, and the district buying the sled?
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Post by touchdowng on Apr 10, 2007 11:46:33 GMT -6
That is a valid question.
I guess if you REALLY are the head coach (have support from your admin come hell or high water), it doesn't matter what the boosters fund raise for.
They - like anybody - are entitled to their own opinions but ultimately, if the need is presented (sleds, camp tuitions, coach stipends, or food), it shouldn't matter what they raise money for. If they are going to meddle, they will, no matter what they are raising funds for.
If they want to use money raised for coaches as a way to leverage their position and you have good support, it shouldn't change a thing.
For those who may not receive full support from their admin, none of these dynamics matter.
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Post by epcoach99 on Apr 12, 2007 18:24:57 GMT -6
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Post by dubber on Apr 12, 2007 20:25:22 GMT -6
I wouldn't have recieved any compensation my first year if not for some "alternative sources" kicking in for my salary.
I think it is a great idea...............if it's legal...................a good coach is worth more than a two man sled.......kinda like having a smart board in your room is worthless if you aren't a good teacher.
IMO, coaches are the most important thing to spend booster money on......
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 12, 2007 20:26:28 GMT -6
Wow....ok, when I was talking stipend..I was thinking 2,500. I would consider $55,000 a SALARY...AND THAT CHANGES things a great deal.
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Post by jonnyboy on Apr 12, 2007 20:41:35 GMT -6
We have 18 coaches for 9-12 (school of 3000) and paid out roughly $14, 000 last year in coaches salaries...another school in our conference paid out $32,000!
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Post by wingman on Apr 12, 2007 23:16:44 GMT -6
We pay out 20,000 for 8 extra coaches. Nothing is a bigger headache for a HC than staff. A good coach i sworth far more than any piece of equipment.
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Post by coachjim on Apr 14, 2007 3:28:43 GMT -6
Just in case you are still looking for ideas, we raffled off a car. 100 tickets @ a hundred bucks a pop. You can make about four grand and the tickets go quickly. Most local auto dealers have done this before as philanthropic for some group or another and know how to get you started. If you have a good amount of boosters, fan base, or alumni, it shouldn't be too hard to sell a hundred tickets. Harley 886 Sportsters tickets sell themselves and aren't that expensive to begin with, either.
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