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Post by spartan on Jun 26, 2014 21:52:50 GMT -6
my favs
1.Don't let him hold you 2.Tackle him err you have to wrap up 3.Kick it deeper 4. Don't get blocked
Basically your first year coach vernacular.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 27, 2014 7:56:31 GMT -6
Not a tournament. We don't want to do silly things and we do want to play good technique but we don't want to look bad either. We cn teach the stuff at home but for us every play is 3rd and long in a tournament. Huh? This is what you said about 7on7 in another thread-
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Post by fantom on Jun 27, 2014 8:13:05 GMT -6
Not a tournament. We don't want to do silly things and we do want to play good technique but we don't want to look bad either. We cn teach the stuff at home but for us every play is 3rd and long in a tournament. Huh? This is what you said about 7on7 in another thread- Nowhere in this thread did I say that I like 7 on 7 tournaments. They're artificial through and through. I much prefer a 7 on 7 against friendly team that allows us teaching time. We can teach in them because there's time. We can stop and walk through things. In a tournament it's a different kind of teaching. We're looking at stuff like making calls, communicating, and taking correct drops. We're not worrying about getting their reads. A 7 on 5 is looking at after they get their reads (As I asked earlier, what are they reading? We read linemen.).
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Post by coachwilcox on Jun 27, 2014 8:14:57 GMT -6
my favs 1.Don't let him hold you 2.Tackle him err you have to wrap up 3.Kick it deeper 4. Don't get blocked Basically your first year coach vernacular. All of those are fine to me when in reference to kid's making excuses. Example: Kid: "He is holding me". Coach: "Don't let him hold you." It is simply a mentality. Obviously you must teach the kid how to get off a block, but I don't believe in allowing players to make excuses as to why they aren't getting the job done.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 27, 2014 8:34:15 GMT -6
Nowhere in this thread did I say that I like 7 on 7 tournaments. They're artificial through and through. I much prefer a 7 on 7 against friendly team that allows us teaching time. We can teach in them because there's time. We can stop and walk through things. In a tournament it's a different kind of teaching. We're looking at stuff like making calls, communicating, and taking correct drops. We're not worrying about getting their reads. A 7 on 5 is looking at after they get their reads (As I asked earlier, what are they reading? We read linemen.). I guess where I'm departing from you is I don't understand why you approach tournaments different than an informal 7on7. I don't care if we look good or bad. I also approach it a little differently in that we're probably going to see run 75% of the time against the teams we play so I want them to get used to taking read steps and then having to bail. There are very few times I think where you're just going to flat pass drop.
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Post by fantom on Jun 27, 2014 8:42:35 GMT -6
Nowhere in this thread did I say that I like 7 on 7 tournaments. They're artificial through and through. I much prefer a 7 on 7 against friendly team that allows us teaching time. We can teach in them because there's time. We can stop and walk through things. In a tournament it's a different kind of teaching. We're looking at stuff like making calls, communicating, and taking correct drops. We're not worrying about getting their reads. A 7 on 5 is looking at after they get their reads (As I asked earlier, what are they reading? We read linemen.). I guess where I'm departing from you is I don't understand why you approach tournaments different than an informal 7on7. I don't care if we look good or bad. I also approach it a little differently in that we're probably going to see run 75% of the time against the teams we play so I want them to get used to taking read steps and then having to bail. There are very few times I think where you're just going to flat pass drop. Since different programs do look at things differently, what may be a stupid cliche in one may make sense in another.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 27, 2014 11:31:05 GMT -6
"Our younger guys need to do a better job servicing our older guys." This from our HC. I don't remember what this point was in reference too. I'm sadly the only one who chuckled.
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Post by fantom on Jun 27, 2014 11:33:45 GMT -6
"Our younger guys need to do a better job servicing our older guys." This from our HC. I don't remember what this point was in reference too. I'm sadly the only one who chuckled. Servicing is the term that's commonly used in this context.
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Post by coachseth on Jun 27, 2014 11:36:33 GMT -6
"DON'T DO THAT!"
That's the best one I've heard yet. Not mentioning who they're talking to or what they're telling them not to do.
The other one is the infamous weight room line of...
"YOU GOTTA LIFT IT!"
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 27, 2014 11:50:45 GMT -6
"Our younger guys need to do a better job servicing our older guys." This from our HC. I don't remember what this point was in reference too. I'm sadly the only one who chuckled. Servicing is the term that's commonly used in this context. In what context though? How do you use servicing?
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Post by fantom on Jun 27, 2014 11:59:59 GMT -6
Servicing is the term that's commonly used in this context. In what context though? How do you use servicing? It's used all the time. The scout team services the offense or defense. In indy period, a defender services the guy doing the drill.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 27, 2014 12:49:40 GMT -6
Since different programs do look at things differently, what may be a stupid cliche in one may make sense in another. I still think it's a stupid idea to coach to a 7on7. Especially for the program we were playing. They will see about the same percentages of pass/run as we do throughout the season.
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Post by fantom on Jun 27, 2014 12:52:47 GMT -6
Since different programs do look at things differently, what may be a stupid cliche in one may make sense in another. I still think it's a stupid idea to coach to a 7on7. Especially for the program we were playing. They will see about the same percentages of pass/run as we do throughout the season. Look, I'm trying to end the argument, OK?
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 27, 2014 12:57:38 GMT -6
Ok. I just don't get it.
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Post by jrk5150 on Jun 27, 2014 15:21:52 GMT -6
I hate "CATCH THE BALL" like he was trying to drop it or had no desire to catch the ball. Actually, that's not terrible coaching either. Keep it simple - don't worry about running with it, don't worry about getting hit after it, don't worry about anything except...catch the ball. Pretty much what Coach Wilcox said above. I played college basketball, and instructions were rarely much more complicated - make a layup, finish the shot, grab the ball. It's easy to let a lot of sh*t into your head in the heat of the moment, the point is focus. Catch. The. Ball.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 27, 2014 17:09:30 GMT -6
I hate "CATCH THE BALL" like he was trying to drop it or had no desire to catch the ball. Actually, that's not terrible coaching either. Keep it simple - don't worry about running with it, don't worry about getting hit after it, don't worry about anything except...catch the ball. Pretty much what Coach Wilcox said above. I played college basketball, and instructions were rarely much more complicated - make a layup, finish the shot, grab the ball. It's easy to let a lot of sh*t into your head in the heat of the moment, the point is focus. Catch. The. Ball. Disagree, it's about the most mindless coaching there is. How about a coaching point or two that will help him catch the ball instead of just yelling something that his grandmother in the stands could have said to him? Blb's post below has some actual coaching in it, "catch the ball" does not.
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Post by planck on Jun 27, 2014 17:22:20 GMT -6
To play devil's advocate, sometimes mindless coaching phrases are just cues coaches use to remind players of drill work. I use "hands hips feet" to remind my DL to play using their hips for leverage.
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 27, 2014 17:24:03 GMT -6
To play devil's advocate, sometimes mindless coaching phrases are just cues coaches use to remind players of drill work. I use "hands hips feet" to remind my DL to play using their hips for leverage. Buzz words, I can appreciate. Unless ATHLETE is an acronym, "Be an ATHLETE!" Is not acceptable coaching to me lol.
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Post by planck on Jun 27, 2014 17:29:39 GMT -6
Well, there is a limit.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 27, 2014 17:53:37 GMT -6
sometimes mindless coaching phrases are just sayings coaches use because they don't know exactly what the player did wrong (other than the end result) and have no productive coaching for him at that moment. Fixed it for you
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Post by mattharris75 on Jun 27, 2014 17:57:41 GMT -6
To play devil's advocate, sometimes mindless coaching phrases are just cues coaches use to remind players of drill work. I use "hands hips feet" to remind my DL to play using their hips for leverage. What you've just described, to me, is not a 'mindless coaching phrase'. When you are consistent with your verbiage, in some situations all it takes is a few words to make a player realize what they did wrong. It has meaning. It reminds them of specific coaching points, which they have been taught, and which they failed to execute.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 27, 2014 19:13:43 GMT -6
"BLOCK SOMEBODY!!!!!!!" "Okay, coach"
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Post by planck on Jun 27, 2014 19:55:19 GMT -6
Needs to get his thumbs up, elbows in, and head to the playside. And to be an athlete.
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Post by macdiiddy on Jun 27, 2014 20:14:39 GMT -6
"You gotta make the tackle"
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 27, 2014 20:49:31 GMT -6
Not necessarily a coaching point, but certainly a mindless phrase that has lived on longer than it should have:
"When you throw the ball, three things can happen and two of them are bad."
Well, isn't that true with running the ball as well? You can fumble, lose yards, and gain yards. Two of those are also bad.
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Post by mhs99 on Jun 27, 2014 21:19:59 GMT -6
#1 Hate Speech at our place never allowed: "Give a 110%" or "Give a 150%" etc. Last i checked you can only give 100%
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Post by tango on Jun 28, 2014 9:04:20 GMT -6
First series of a JV game with ball on our 1 yard line. The OC goes for it and the DC runs down and yells what heck are you doing? The OC says its your job to stop them!
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Post by mountainman on Jun 28, 2014 10:28:03 GMT -6
We were in a passing tourney last week and the other teams DC keeps yelling "They're running the same play every time!" Which was true. They were in man and we kept running our best man beater. We ran it 8 times in a row and scored 3 times. I felt like saying to him "Run another coverage, and we will run a different play." I am sure the kids knew we were running the same play, they just weren't in the right coverage to defend it.
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Post by spos21ram on Jun 28, 2014 11:46:27 GMT -6
If you watch college or NFL LB's, they don't take a read step in pass situations.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 28, 2014 12:28:16 GMT -6
If you watch college or NFL LB's, they don't take a read step in pass situations. They also are physical freaks that can adapt to a play at breakneck speeds compared to a small school HS football player. And the league they play in is what? A 60%+ passing league now? Why take a read step when your initial first step should be to pass drop? I just don't understand why I should teach or allow something for "special situations" in a 7on7 that we'll probably see at most 5 times a game. I don't do 7on7s to look good in them or even to win them. I go to them to rep the things that will help us win in the fall. Abandoning our basics so we can win a garbage 7on7 or to prevent us from "getting embarrassed" are not going to help us achieve that goal. You want to bail your LBs so you can cover someone in June and July? Feel free. It's your team. But you won't be able to sell me that it isn't a dumb idea for the level and style of ball that we or the team we were playing that night will see 90% of the season.
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