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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 16, 2014 20:28:17 GMT -6
We've been doing the 7-7 thing for a while. When there is a tourney set up to create a 'champion', a lot of the time a big deal is made of winning this by the community/staff/team/local paper/etc......
What value do you place on winning these things?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 16, 2014 20:31:18 GMT -6
I would say it might depend on how you win. But in general, I don't really like 7 on 7 tournaments with the augmented rules and such. Would much rather a pass skell practice using down/distance situations vs an opponent who feels the same.
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Post by carookie on Jun 16, 2014 20:47:40 GMT -6
Value, confidence I suppose. Maybe help get some notoriety for your school and get some boosters; may help with buy in, or better yet get some parents off your backs.
So in the end, the value is nowhere near being worth running all the BS offenses you come across in them.
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Post by fantom on Jun 16, 2014 20:51:05 GMT -6
We've been doing the 7-7 thing for a while. When there is a tourney set up to create a 'champion', a lot of the time a big deal is made of winning this by the community/staff/team/local paper/etc...... What value do you place on winning these things? None. I think that there's some value in that they get the DBs some live work but I just consider them glorified practices. To me the ideal 7-on-7 is: Win a couple games so that you don't get embarrassed, get everybody some work, but don't make the playoffs so that you get home early. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 16, 2014 22:18:21 GMT -6
None.
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Post by 33coach on Jun 17, 2014 0:55:00 GMT -6
We've been doing the 7-7 thing for a while. When there is a tourney set up to create a 'champion', a lot of the time a big deal is made of winning this by the community/staff/team/local paper/etc...... What value do you place on winning these things? Winning 7 on 7 is pointless. But participating can have huge benefits. Sent from my VS980 4G using proboards |
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Post by mrjvi on Jun 17, 2014 4:17:46 GMT -6
Made no difference to our team if we won or not. If I decide to throw a bit more, the QB might benefit a little since he needs to throw, but winning-who cares.
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Post by jsk002 on Jun 17, 2014 5:01:12 GMT -6
The only value I would place on winning a 7 on 7 is if you are a program who hasn't won a lot and you need to build confidence. A successful 7 on 7 can be a piece in that puzzle. If you are an established program - then I don't think a goal should be to win a 7 on 7. I look at 7 on 7's as an opportunity to compete (you can't get enough of them in my opinion) while running your coverages & routes.
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Post by souza12 on Jun 17, 2014 5:03:17 GMT -6
Any chance to compete has value as far as the individuals in the program are concerned. As long as you are using techniques within your scheme and you dont have 7on7 heroes taking crazy drops or a QB that holds the ball for an eternity.
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Post by groundchuck on Jun 17, 2014 5:16:26 GMT -6
We consider it a win when all the right kids show up, compete, and we get good live speed work.
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Post by theone on Jun 17, 2014 8:39:40 GMT -6
Just use it to get love reps of your passing game and get your DBs some work in. There's not really a value to it outside of that
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 17, 2014 8:50:52 GMT -6
I just see it as a pass skelly session. Gets my guys some live reps vs actual 1's instead of our scout guys. I think it's hilarious when we go 7v7 vs a Wing-T team that's throwing verts out of Trips all of a sudden. You win in the summer, I'll win in the fall.
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Post by 4slife0 on Jun 17, 2014 9:41:56 GMT -6
I just see it as a pass skelly session. Gets my guys some live reps vs actual 1's instead of our scout guys. I think it's hilarious when we go 7v7 vs a Wing-T team that's throwing verts out of Trips all of a sudden. You win in the summer, I'll win in the fall. I know what you are saying I laugh when I see defenses play 2 man the entire game. They are playing a 3rd and long defense the entire game. I've never understood that one either. |
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Post by fballcoachg on Jun 17, 2014 17:33:24 GMT -6
The same as winning in anything else that isn't a Friday night game. You compete, improve, and build confidence.
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Post by fantom on Jun 17, 2014 18:34:26 GMT -6
I just see it as a pass skelly session. Gets my guys some live reps vs actual 1's instead of our scout guys. I think it's hilarious when we go 7v7 vs a Wing-T team that's throwing verts out of Trips all of a sudden. You win in the summer, I'll win in the fall. I know what you are saying I laugh when I see defenses play 2 man the entire game. They are playing a 3rd and long defense the entire game. I've never understood that one either. And the option teams that run 100% empty during a 7-on-7. |
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Post by spreadpowero on Jun 18, 2014 7:44:18 GMT -6
None! I have seen teams dominate the 7 on 7 circuit and then end up with a losing record when you take the flags off and replace them with pads.
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Post by mhs99 on Jun 18, 2014 20:01:27 GMT -6
It is all about getting kids to adjust to formations, working different coverage, and refining technique.
We don't care about winning, as a multiple I team we still run I staples in 7 v 7 like boot, waggle and power pass of play action.
I will say this, most teams that are winning regional 7 v 7 have dudes and are organized which correlates to W's.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 19, 2014 11:46:33 GMT -6
Sometimes you get a t-shirt.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 22, 2014 20:35:41 GMT -6
We won a regional select 7-7 that qualifies us to participate in national 7-7. We're trying to get the kids to learn how to win, win at anything; to also learn how to overcome adversity and plow through adversity. We also won a small local 7-7. We are trying to use the wins as a focus on this is what takes to compete-- doing the right things to win, but also competing each game/each down.
Also, our strength coach has been working to make the kids understand how practice/weights can translate into winning on Fridays in the fall, or winning a 7-7 competition. We are trying to see how we can translate winning these 7-7's without letting the kids think that winning a 7-7 tourney is the goal, but rather one of the training steps to reach the true goal.
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Post by smfreeman on Jun 23, 2014 4:41:25 GMT -6
The only value I would place on winning a 7 on 7 is if you are a program who hasn't won a lot and you need to build confidence. A successful 7 on 7 can be a piece in that puzzle. If you are an established program - then I don't think a goal should be to win a 7 on 7. I look at 7 on 7's as an opportunity to compete (you can't get enough of them in my opinion) while running your coverages & routes. Actually had a very successful area coach tell me this during our first 7on7. He had his whole offensive pass playbook installed in basically less than a week...so I asked him how he did it and he told me that he was really just game planning for 7on7 not worried about the season yet. He told me that in his opinion the school he is at (he is new OC at this school) was always 6-4 and losing in the first round of the playoffs so his goal was to come out and really dominate 7on7 to build that winning attitude in these kids to push them over the hump. I like 7on7 because it breaks up the monotony of summer but I hadn't really ever thought about what this coach told me. |
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Post by fugulookinat on Jun 25, 2014 17:21:00 GMT -6
I lost my best DB in 7 on 7 one year. Don't see any benefit to it. It goes against everything we teach Defensively, like re-routing and jamming receivers downfield. Not very realistic.
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Post by bluboy on Jun 26, 2014 9:34:39 GMT -6
7on7 is not real football. Too many guys do crazy stuff that they would never do in a real game. the only good thing about 7on7 is that I get to work with the perimeter guys on just pass defense so that when real football starts, they have an idea what's going on. All I have to do is focus on techniques.
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