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Post by gatorball on Jan 31, 2007 14:14:45 GMT -6
You run into stubborness or resistance to what you want to do. Unless you are a revered HC (which I am not ;D) then you may have a hard time selling your system to the assistants and players. I was a wing T man, when I got my first HC job, it was at a school that had run an I system for years and years. When I came in and said "Ok we are going to be running the Wing T" I almost had a revolt on my hands. The assistants, some of which were hold overs from the previous regime sounded like the guys in the barber shop of the movie "Hoosiers" when they talked about what defense they ran.
So my question is, do you comply with the old guard and believe that it is easier for one guy to learn a system or do you try to sell it and get them to buy into it?
Just interested to see if anyone else has come up against this
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Post by cookiemonster on Jan 31, 2007 14:23:42 GMT -6
Do what you believe in, period!!
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Post by superpower on Jan 31, 2007 14:24:02 GMT -6
I think you have to be who you are and do what you know. Transitions aren't always easy, but you are a wing-t guy because you know it and believe in it. Sell your system and get them to buy in.
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Post by texasokie on Jan 31, 2007 14:28:50 GMT -6
If they don't want to do what you want to do, they don't need to be on your staff.
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Post by dacoachmo on Jan 31, 2007 14:31:31 GMT -6
DITTO. but be careful, the last HC job I had an old retread coach tha was not buying into the my system. after year two I tried to reassign him...the result, I was "reassigned"...
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Post by coachjaz on Jan 31, 2007 14:42:35 GMT -6
My advice is to bring people along with you if you can. Make the existing coaches aware that the system you are comfortable with is the one that is going to be run, and try to work with them to get them on board with you.
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Post by gatorball on Jan 31, 2007 14:47:51 GMT -6
That was the biggest problem, it was at a back water high school where indoor plumbing was a new fangled thing. I tried to bring some folks in but the pay was pitiful and I tried like hell to sell them my system, but after two years I resigned
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Post by ajreaper on Jan 31, 2007 14:53:07 GMT -6
There's a reason you got the job- go with what you know and believe in. Stress that you will demand loyalty from your staff and if they cannot do that they need not be part of your staff. Changes will only work if the coaching staff gives a united front to the team, parents and community as to what needs to be done and how. Disagreements can be voiced in the office but once a decision is made everyone is on board 100% when they step into the locker room or out on the field.
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Post by fbdoc on Jan 31, 2007 16:35:26 GMT -6
coachjaz and ajreaper are right on. YOU are the head coach and you need to decide what your team is going to run. At the same time a good HC will listen to the input of his staff. Let them know what you believe in and WHY you believe it! Ask them which players might best fit a given position or scheme. Ask them where their comfort level is regarding offense, defense, etc. Don't just come in shouting WINGTWINGTWINGT... (not saying that you did) but let them know your thoughts and goals for the direction of the team and how much you would like them to get on board.
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Post by saintrad on Jan 31, 2007 18:15:03 GMT -6
well, if there system was so freakin awesome, have them show you the state title trophies to back up their claims...otherwise its your job that gets axed not theirs.
Plus, if you have a lot of coaching talent in your area ...replace them
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Post by gatorball on Feb 1, 2007 6:29:23 GMT -6
I did force it down their throats, but when I give them the drills they need to do during your indy period, I was always unsure of how intensely they were coaching the kids up. Most of the time when I would be watching with out them knowing, they simply went through the motions. IT is easy to say "well clean house and bring in coaches who believe in your system." but coaches were in VERY short supply
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Post by bulldogoption on Feb 1, 2007 7:28:49 GMT -6
I haven't experienced this myself, the place I took over for struggled and were all to eager to dump the old. However, a friend did and he related this to me. You aren't going to appease those holdover coaches unless you run their stuff. He tried to run their stuff and struggled because he didn't have answers. YOu know what I mean. When you have run stuff for long enough you can diagnose the problem quickly, exactly and find a solution that will probably work. When you run new stuff, you won't find answers as quickly, if at all.... His situation was that he learned he would never make them happy anyways, so he should have implemented his new schemes.....
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Post by superpower on Feb 1, 2007 7:59:34 GMT -6
If they won't get on board and do the things you want the way you want, get rid of them. Even if coaches are in short supply, you would be better off doing it by yourself. Figure out who the good classroom management teachers are in the school, and talk them into assisting you. They will learn what you want and do it the right way.
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Post by cookiemonster on Feb 1, 2007 11:15:30 GMT -6
Gatorball do alot of group oriented things so you can do alot of the coaching . Be honest and upfront with the guys and let them know your expectations. If they fail to meet your expectations document it. While filming practice also watch for coaching. I had a coach on film this year with his arms folded infront of his body for the entire Defensive Team Period. I called him in and showed him the film and asked him to explain. Didn't help much but I documented and I have the film in his file so I can get the wheels in motion at the end of the year.
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Post by knighter on Feb 1, 2007 13:18:11 GMT -6
You run what you run. PERIOD. Last time I looked when most head hs coaches get fired, the assistants get to stay put.
They get on board, or they go. I demand loyalty, am I a prick, well if that makes me a prick I guess I am.
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Post by CVBears on Feb 1, 2007 15:25:25 GMT -6
A head coach's responsibility is to ensure his assistants are doing their jobs as perfectly as they can +1 notch. If the assistant can't cut the mustard, he needs to be axed (at the appropriate time). If an HC can't control his staff, why is he the HC? At the end of the day, the buck stops at the head coach.
I personally would take an intelligent person that I could mold into a good coach over a stubborn person with tons of experience that won't do his job to the utmost.
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Post by neil on Feb 1, 2007 20:17:39 GMT -6
I think you need to implement your system. At the same time there is nothing wrong with throwing those guys a bone or two. Figure out a way to run some of the old stuff with your style. It can be used just as a change-up.
I know you can't always just "axe" as some would suggest because of the area you are in. It is not always better to coach every position by yourself. There is only so much attention you can spread around.
If you are so familiar with your system (wing-t) surely you can run the "belly" out of the I every now and then. If these coaches are so unwilling to make changes they obviously are not smart enough to figure out you are running your stuff out of their formation anyway.
I have learned that every school/system/district/staff is different and has to be treated differently.
Some places are starving for changes and will swallow whatever you give them. Others have to gradually understand they haven't been fed the right stuff and will slowly accept it. Kind of like my 3-yr old who won't eat vegetables. Eventually he'll figure it out it is the best thing for him and even start to like it. It is my job as a dad, and your as the new coach, to teach 'em to like broccoli.
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Post by coachmathis on Feb 2, 2007 13:39:21 GMT -6
I know this is a football board but I love Bob Knight and his thing is always "My way". I believe in that . As a head coach you do things your way.If you run the wing-t run it. You have to stick to what you believe in and have faith in. I would suggest getting their input and just asking what they think about attacking things with certain plays. Show them the beauty of the wing-t.
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