jc2
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Post by jc2 on Oct 26, 2007 22:21:41 GMT -6
I went back to my hometown this week to watch my old high school team play against a team with a top blue chip athlete. He comes from very athletic family (Brothers were all blue chip athletes one even starts for an a SEC school now) however he has a terrible attitude.
He doesn't huddle up with the team and when he does its usually when it is about to break. When he wasn't getting the ball he would often come to the sideline and go to the other end of the field and throw his helmet down while the team was discussing their next offensive series. He yells at players for no reason and he takes his helmet of after almost every play. He has even been kicked out a game this year for fighting!
My question to all you coaches is what would you do? Would you get rid of him or would you keep him? If you keep him how do you correct his behavior?
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Post by Coach Huey on Oct 26, 2007 22:37:44 GMT -6
i can't speak for this situation, since i don't know everything involved. but, things (attitudes) such as these are best corraled early on, at their first appearance. it is likely an athlete such as this didn't just show this behavior during that game for the first time. probably didn't even start this season. at some point in his career he developed his behavior and it, apparently, wasn't addressed when the signs first appeared.
i won't try to give any type of recommendation because each situation can be quite different and, again, i don't know all the details surrounding this situation. many things can be at play that could be keeping the coaches' hands tied on this for that matter. however, i believe that in the long run of the program, this type of behavior will lead to underachievement or a complete downfall.
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Post by cmow5 on Oct 27, 2007 1:13:27 GMT -6
From the outside looking in I would say let him know that it will be hard to get to a div 1 school with no stats and let him know that recuiters often ask advice from the players coach, so he can make it a easy or hard process the choice is his. And if that doesent work then I bet he gets a wakeup call at the next level as a little ole freshmen.
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Post by phantom on Oct 27, 2007 10:54:20 GMT -6
I've been in a similar situation as well as some that could have been and never did. I believe that the key is having a strong captain.
One year we had a kid who behaved similarly to what you described. When we eventually benched him for a game the seniors backed him and boycotted practice. He stayed benched and we lost and we missed the playoffs. None of the coaches were sorry about missing the playoffs because we didn't want to spend one more minute with that crowd. The good news is that the underclassmen got the message and we were better the next year.
That's a stark contrast with a team we had a few years later, one that won a state championship. That team was very talented and had a guy or two who had Prima Donna Tendencies. They never came out, though. In large part that was because the majority on that team were good kids who were focused. I really believe that a lot of it was due to the leadership of our captain. He was talented (he's in college now and will play on Sundays), smart, and worked hard in-season and off. He was also universally respected and feared and I think that the "feared" part plays a role. He wasn't a bully but everybody knew that if you screwed around you'd have to answer to him and nobody wanted that.
I guess the point of this rambling screed is that it ultimately comes down to the players. You can guide them, teach them, and lead them but it's really their team. The good news is that guys come back years later telling them how much you taught them. The bad news is that you may be fired by then.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 27, 2007 15:20:21 GMT -6
up downs are the cure all for everything. take the helmet off, 50 updowns, fail to get into the huddle, 50 updowns. never cut a kid, never kick a kid off the team, just give em a ton of updowns and teach them that there are CONSEQUENCES for negative actions.
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mike13
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Post by mike13 on Oct 29, 2007 9:36:43 GMT -6
Yes a some college will take him, however character is starting to matter to a lot of schools. Teams don't want to deal with the headaches. The thug mentality is starting to leave the sport. Look at the two winningest teams in the NFL right now, Pats and Colts. Both organizations have avoided picking up players that cause problems off the field.
As far as that kid goes, I agee with coachcalande up downs work wonders.
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Post by spreadattack on Oct 29, 2007 18:23:06 GMT -6
Where did Randy Moss go again? Difference is at NE, he's not the big fish. He's a big enough fish, but he knew the pecking order coming in and any BS behavior and he'd be back in Oakland or even worse...Miami. Reminds me of phantom's excellent post. Teams are teams. Coaches can be great and try to build teams around their personalities, but every team is different. Guys with talent immediately draw attention, and it puts coaches and their teammates in a terrible bind when the talented guys have horrible attitudes. Everyone knows they need them. It's also hard to make kids think long term. Shirk practice or a drill or a play and it seems like a good or "cool" choice because thats what that guy does, but ten years down the road what will you wish you had done? I've never heard a player come up and say, "You know working hard and winning that division/state title was fun, but the thing I really and truly regret is not being lazier in practice/weightlifting/games. I really blew it." |
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Post by Coach Klemme on Oct 29, 2007 18:28:32 GMT -6
I was listening to a QB that graduated from our HS and is now a QB in the big 10, he was on campus all summer working out and learning the system and he learned very quick what happens to those guys. As soon as they sign on the dotted line, the school can do with them whatever they want. Some guys were complaining about running and lifting. So the coaches made them come in 3 times a day starting at 5 am. They worked their asses off. Needless to say after those young men realized that they were not the big fish anymore, they toned down the attitude.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 4, 2007 3:19:47 GMT -6
One fine fall afternoon a young girl was sitting in the grass as her father raked the leaves up around the yard, when suddenly she jumped to her feet and screamed, "Daddy, Spiders!". Her father came over to where she was now standing in a terrified manner and gently put his hand on her back and said, "It's okay hunny, it's just two daddy long legs, they are harmless".
The girl somewhat reassured, with a calmer expression asked, "well what are they doing with one on top of the other? Are they wrestling?" The father chuckled and said, no hunny they are trying to make a baby".
The little girl turned from fear to confusion and then in an attempt to make sense of the situation she said, "So, one is a mommy long legs and the other is a daddy long legs?"
The father chuckled again and said, "No sweetie they are both daddy long legs".
Well the little girl's face changed completely to a look of discontent and in one flail gesture of her foot she stomped on the spiders smashing their frail bodies.
The father was suprised and asked why in the world she would kill too harmless creatures. With one twist of her foot she looked up to her father in a state of derision and said, "I ain't having any of the shi-- in my backyard."
Long story short, I would kick that kid so hard to the curb he would have permanent whip lash...End of Story. His locker would be cleaned out before the first practice was over. He would then have to go through a series of processes and procedures with the AD, me and the team before he could return. If it happened again he would be done. Bottom line, win or lose we will do as a team and with dignity.
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Post by khalfie on Nov 4, 2007 8:56:40 GMT -6
One fine fall afternoon a young girl was sitting in the grass as her father raked the leaves up around the yard, when suddenly she jumped to her feet and screamed, "Daddy, Spiders!". Her father came over to where she was now standing in a terrified manner and gently put his hand on her back and said, "It's okay hunny, it's just two daddy long legs, they are harmless". The girl somewhat reassured, with a calmer expression asked, "well what are they doing with one on top of the other? Are they wrestling?" The father chuckled and said, no hunny they are trying to make a baby". The little girl turned from fear to confusion and then in an attempt to make sense of the situation she said, "So, one is a mommy long legs and the other is a daddy long legs?" The father chuckled again and said, "No sweetie they are both daddy long legs". Well the little girl's face changed completely to a look of discontent and in one flail gesture of her foot she stomped on the spiders smashing their frail bodies. The father was suprised and asked why in the world she would kill too harmless creatures. With one twist of her foot she looked up to her father in a state of derision and said, "I ain't having any of the shi-- in my backyard." Long story short, I would kick that kid so hard to the curb he would have permanent whip lash...End of Story. His locker would be cleaned out before the first practice was over. He would then have to go through a series of processes and procedures with the AD, me and the team before he could return. If it happened again he would be done. Bottom line, win or lose we will do as a team and with dignity. oh... that's genius... hill larry us! |
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