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Post by mensengrizzlies on Nov 5, 2007 13:59:57 GMT -6
Hi Coaches,
I run a very simple offense, mostly zone, and so have very simple play names e.g. inside right/left... outside right/left... counter right/left... you get the picture.
Last year we ran almost exclusively from just one formation and so didn't need to really name the formation.
This season will introduce a few more formations and now need a simple way to name them. I'm at a bit of a crossroads in terms of naming the formations because of the leftright in my play names.
I don't want to say, I right, inside left, I right, inside left break because I feel this could lead to errors. I'm thinking of having black and white as the strong side (white being right).
Do any of you have this difficulty? How do you overcome it... I would rather not change the playname since the team is used to that terminology.
Thanks guys.
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Post by cqmiller on Nov 5, 2007 14:25:07 GMT -6
Either assign 2 different calls for formations (Red = Spread Right, Blue = Spread Left)
or...
Assign a first number to mean a playtype, and a second # to assign side (If you assign 1 as zone, 2 as counter, with the odd #'s on left even number on right...then 14 would be zone right, and 25 would be counter left). Many colleges use the Number designation for a play-type to shorten playcalls like this
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Post by eickst on Nov 5, 2007 15:17:45 GMT -6
Yep, I would have a 10 series (inside zone) and a 20 series (outside zone), and just use the second # to pick a side. Even is to the right, odd is to the left.
It's pretty standard practice. I realize that zone plays don't really have a hole, so a 23 and a 27 would be the exact same play, but it simplifies it.
You can even make it a three digit play call, first digit would be for formation.
1=I left
2=i right
3=spread left
4=spread right
so play 125 is an I Left formation, outside left is the play.
To be honest, there are SO many different ways you can do this it's not even funny. Colors, city names, state names, on and on and on for formations.
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Post by lawless on Nov 5, 2007 15:27:57 GMT -6
A couple of seasons ago, I got away from numbering plays and started using a 2 digit number for the formation. You can basically have 89 fomations and each position only knows 9 things. This season first digit is for TE/SE/FL (I form) Odd/Even flips TE/SE and as the numbers go up the FL moves from Pro set across the formation (strong wing, weak wing, twins). The second number tells the FB where to line up (from a slot position, wing, off set, etc...)
Easy addition for you, you keep using words for the play and add the numbers for the formation before the play... (ie. 18 Flip, Power Right)
It is easy for any system you want multiple formations.
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Post by rbsuknow on Nov 5, 2007 17:45:32 GMT -6
you can use names for formations
we use these
ray/lou - I right/left
rob/len - slot right/left
reggie/larry - trips right/left
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 5, 2007 18:38:25 GMT -6
name the formations anything you want. we use colors but when i was at the jr high ranks we used stuff like
rhino
lion
rocket
lazer
beast
bronco
etc
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Post by k on Nov 5, 2007 18:39:39 GMT -6
ray/lou - I right/left rob/len - slot right/left reggie/larry - trips right/left What is the benefit of doing this instead of just calling the normal formation? |
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Post by eickst on Nov 5, 2007 18:52:00 GMT -6
I just use the formation name, personally. It's pretty simple. You can give them code names if you want, or to keep playcalls short, but unless you have 80 words in your play call there's no real need to simplify it. It just gives the kids another place to make an error, and it's something else you have to teach. Unless you teach the formations as those words from the beginning, like this is red formation and this is blue formation instead of telling them it's I right and then giving it a name.
"Oh I thought ray was I-left, sorry coach" (after you've lost 5 yards to delay of game or wasted a timeout because no one got lined up on time).
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Post by Yash on Nov 5, 2007 19:09:57 GMT -6
We run inside and outside zone and our formation and play names are some of the easiest I've seen. Pro formation is just Right or Left, TE goes to the call. If you want to set the fullback to the strength or away from the strength just add minus or plus, So offset to the TE would be Right Plus and then it goes from there. Every formation starts with a R or L to designate strength. Inside zone is 22, or 23, outside zone is 28 or 29, So if we want to run pro formation with an offset fullback it would be Right Plus 22 or on the play card it looks like R + 22, four charectors long, simple to me. You want some more formation names and play calls msg me and I'll get ya some stuff.
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Post by tog on Nov 5, 2007 19:20:29 GMT -6
ray/lou - I right/left rob/len - slot right/left reggie/larry - trips right/left What is the benefit of doing this instead of just calling the normal formation? easier to signal in if no huddle keeps the verbage down instead of I wing right ram or whatever single name |
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 6, 2007 7:06:10 GMT -6
eliminating all of the repetetive right/left calls is good
"rhino- waggle right" is much better than" I wing right waggle right" ...just my opinion.
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Post by tog on Nov 6, 2007 7:19:14 GMT -6
eliminating all of the repetetive right/left calls is good "rhino- waggle right" is much better than" I wing right waggle right" ...just my opinion. even worse is when you have a right and left in the same string dyslexic kids and coaches mess that up all the time i wing right r waggle left becomes once you get to the line huh? kids don't know what the real names for stuff is anyway to answer the original question 1=qb 2=a back 3=b back 4=c back 1,3,5,7,9 are aiming points on the left side 0,2,4,6,8 are aiming points on the right side the aiming points are also blocking schemes 4/5 are zone 0/1 are veer 2/3 are power 6/7 are dart 8/9 are sweep we don't even call the name of the play, the ol knows what the scheme is by the second number we will add colors/names etc to some of these numbers to add carryover for the OL turn a zone into a zone lead or dart into GT the aiming points all work out to where we want the back's initial hit point to be, we then give them escape routes from that point for the different plays this is all from gun, and generally spread out |
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Post by lionhart on Nov 6, 2007 7:27:10 GMT -6
we # our formations 1-8, then can add a "tag" to alter the initial formation. example: formation #4 is 2x2 with the y and z to the left and h + x to the right. the rb is on the qb left side (gun). formation 4 is the mirror of this. i could then call "flex" 3 and the slots are now on the los instead of the wr. or i can call "tite"3 and the y now comes in and lines up next to the tackle as a TE. OR i can call "ghost" 3 and the rb will go line up near the H and we have our empty look. the tag word usually only affects one player, so its less confusing.
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Post by lionhart on Nov 6, 2007 7:28:13 GMT -6
sorry, my last posy should have read " formation #3 is the misrror of this"
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 6, 2007 7:32:44 GMT -6
I agree, kids dont know " twins left" from "pro I right" or whatever anyhow so you can teach them to recognize a formation by whatever name you want. personally, I dont even give the double wing a name, its just what it is and what we line up in unless I call a formation name
so, for me, I just call motion, ball carrier, point of attack and play tag that describes both the backfield action and the blocking tag...
ray 34 power
ray 38 sweep
ray 25 counter
ray 325 counter xx
(three digit numbers mean that two people other than the qb handle the ball, ie 3 back gives to 2 back to the 5 hole)
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Post by coachmacplains on Nov 6, 2007 11:15:34 GMT -6
I went to naming the formations by using "names"; the first letter is predicated on type of formation and an L or R in the name means right or left.
Dolly/Dairy - Double L/R
Sally/Star - Slot L/R
Tilly/Trident - Trips L/R
Billy/Barney - If we are balanced up but in gun, with the FB one side or the other, L/R
I agree with TOG's idea that they usually don't know what the names mean anyway; they just know where to go when that formation name is used. Should have gone to this kind of naming system ten year before I did.
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Post by mensengrizzlies on Nov 6, 2007 11:53:10 GMT -6
Thanks everyone, a lot of really good ideas. I will have to write them all down with my plays in them and see which ones work best overall.
I was also thinking of just adding East/West instead of Left and Right in the formation. Then having East Inside Right as a play call.
This way its being kept simple without kids guessing "was Lou I left, or trips left".
Then again, i was considering the other ideas too... making for example, Race and lace (ace formation), Lie and Rye (I form).
Many things to consider.
But again, I will see how each method looks with my own plays in it, and how easy it will be to expand my playbook in the future.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 6, 2007 13:45:35 GMT -6
nothing wrong with just numbering the formations as well.
double tight T might be formation 1
double tight Wing T right might be formation 2
double tight wing T left might be formation 3
its just memorization after that.
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Post by spartancoach on Nov 6, 2007 15:07:07 GMT -6
Just to add another twist, we call formation by # of eligible receivers on each side of C, and move them around by tagging. We are a gun spread team. Straight spread is 22, trips right is 13, trips left is 31, put slots on LOS and WR off is 22 flop, insert a TE is Big 22 or 22 Big, depending on side of TE.
Play calls are by name and direction, so typical call would be "22 Zone Right"
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Post by dubber on Nov 6, 2007 15:08:41 GMT -6
Just to add another twist, we call formation by # of eligible receivers on each side of C, and move them around by tagging. We are a gun spread team. Straight spread is 22, trips right is 13, trips left is 31, put slots on LOS and WR off is 22 flop, insert a TE is Big 22 or 22 Big, depending on side of TE. Play calls are by name and direction, so typical call would be "22 Zone Right" \ interesting way to do it |
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Post by wingt74 on Nov 6, 2007 15:28:38 GMT -6
Don't name the formation you use the most. That way, any play call without a formation will assume the default formation.
For us, it's T Formation.
Instead of T 23 Lead we just say 23 lead.
Otherwise, I recommend naming the formation something kids understand or can learn easily. like Trips Right, Wing, Slot, I, Power I, Spread, etc. Don't use words that just don't make any sense.
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Post by morris on Nov 6, 2007 17:43:46 GMT -6
Coverdale has a nice system from his books. You start with a default backfield set for the season (its the I for us) and from there you just use names.
Rex/Lex (slot right/left)
Ron/Lon
Ram/Lion (2 TE, 2 WRs)
and so on. We never flip our WR because it is just easier for our kids ot understand it is XYZ. I think we coudl get into just about any formation with about 3 set of names and a few tags like strong/weak or using a number to set an H back. Rex 8 would put you in double slots. Look through the book it (the first in the quick passing game)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2007 18:12:53 GMT -6
One of my offseason goals is to create my own I formation playbook and I've used a numbering system. The program I currently coach at doesn't and I've seen some of the confusion described above with multiple rights and lefts in the play. I use a numbering system, but I only am planning five total formations in my book as well.
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Post by rbsuknow on Nov 6, 2007 20:01:36 GMT -6
ray/lou - I right/left rob/len - slot right/left reggie/larry - trips right/left What is the benefit of doing this instead of just calling the normal formation? the person that taught me this offense used the tags. for him it was just easier since that is what his high school coach used. |
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