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Cadence
Mar 8, 2007 14:23:01 GMT -6
Post by gatorball on Mar 8, 2007 14:23:01 GMT -6
Is yours rhythmic or not, Is it quick or do you call a lot of dummy calls with colors and numbers
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Cadence
Mar 8, 2007 17:11:05 GMT -6
Post by CVBears on Mar 8, 2007 17:11:05 GMT -6
ours has always been rhythmic. just the way our HC wants it for timing of motions and whatnot.
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Cadence
Mar 8, 2007 19:24:21 GMT -6
Post by dubber on Mar 8, 2007 19:24:21 GMT -6
I've heard of teams using two snap counts-----one live and one dead. The D gets use to the live one, and then you hit them with the dead one----trying to draw them off sides.
If they don't jump, qb calls something out and you run the play you called in the huddle.
A wrinkle I like, use the dead count, and if the defense doesn't jump, the QB gives his dummy call, gets under center and the ball is snapped on first sound.
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Post by epcoach99 on Mar 9, 2007 8:37:59 GMT -6
For some reason my guys find it hard to go on 2! I would love to change up the count more but HC likes to keep it simple and go on one most of the time. I find it very frustrating! I mean if you don't practice it they wont do it. Puts the OL at a great disadvantage.
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coachg
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Cadence
Mar 9, 2007 13:00:41 GMT -6
Post by coachg on Mar 9, 2007 13:00:41 GMT -6
I agree not going on 2 does hurt the OL. Going on 2 helped us alot this year. We made teams jump alot and it messed up their timing on blitzes
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Cadence
Mar 9, 2007 18:48:43 GMT -6
Post by Mav on Mar 9, 2007 18:48:43 GMT -6
Our default snap count is on 2. We'll never go on a count beyond 2 -- keeping us from ever jumping early. The worst that'll ever happen is someone will be slow off the ball. The thought is it's better to have a player slow off the ball, than a 5 yarder. In practice, to ensure everyone's firing off on the right count , we'll tell the Center to not snap the ball on a play at least once a practice. If a player doesn't fire out, the 11 on offense owe 'slammers' at the end of practice. btw - we use a non-rythmic count. For some reason my guys find it hard to go on 2! I would love to change up the count more but HC likes to keep it simple and go on one most of the time. I find it very frustrating! I mean if you don't practice it they wont do it. Puts the OL at a great disadvantage.
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Tampa
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Cadence
Mar 9, 2007 19:08:35 GMT -6
Post by Tampa on Mar 9, 2007 19:08:35 GMT -6
A few years back, we had an offense that went on "one" for inside run plays and "two" for outside run plays. Ran it in practice that way and never had a false start in the games. Defenses never caught on during the season and we did get many offsides calls on them. Pass plays were a mix.
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Cadence
Mar 13, 2007 21:57:06 GMT -6
Post by hoptions on Mar 13, 2007 21:57:06 GMT -6
I have heard of something like that tampa. What I found, somewhere on this site was a team that went on two on every play one way and on one when going the other way. They claim that no one ever caught on.
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Cadence
Mar 14, 2007 0:00:34 GMT -6
Post by stud17 on Mar 14, 2007 0:00:34 GMT -6
personally, i think you gotta mix up your cadence....i remember back in my day (don't know if this counts as an example) teams that we played against used a rhythm in their cadence....i just timed it, got great jumps, and got a TFL or a stop for no gain. thats why in my opinion you gotta mix up, keeps the d-linemen thinking and linebackers guessing
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Cadence
Mar 14, 2007 10:36:31 GMT -6
Post by wingt74 on Mar 14, 2007 10:36:31 GMT -6
On 1...on 2...kills me at the youth level.The think I've identified the problem. Our cadence is
Set Color / # Color / # HIT
Without giving much away, color and # are used for audibles. So, on one (Set, color/# color/#, HIT) and on two (Set, color/# color/#, HIT HIT) Now, we do a simple agility drill. And we instruct players to move on "HIT".
HIT "Player 1 does the drill" HIT "player 2 does the drill" etc...
So my players are getting it in their head to go on any HIT. This is why I am going back to using the whistle with drills.
I think a strong candence has the potential to be a difference maker in a game.
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Cadence
Mar 14, 2007 12:54:16 GMT -6
Post by spartancoach on Mar 14, 2007 12:54:16 GMT -6
We are considering going to running on one (cadence is "Set Hut", with or without a set of audibles or dummy calls before "set"). Once the defense is "trained" to go on one after a couple of series, we will run a "check with me." Set Hut Hut Hut, if no jump after three, then reset and call a play. Any thoughts on this system?
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Cadence
Mar 14, 2007 19:05:39 GMT -6
Post by davecisar on Mar 14, 2007 19:05:39 GMT -6
At the youth level we go on a melodic "go". Shift Down ready set go. The kids know to go on go. If we want to mix it up we call a "no play" and do not snap it at all on go to get the other team to jump. When I want a time out we call no play.When they dont jump we get them to sit on the count. We are no huddle 100% of the time so timeouts have not been extremel,y important.
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Cadence
Mar 18, 2007 8:20:21 GMT -6
Post by str8outtajerzy on Mar 18, 2007 8:20:21 GMT -6
At the youth level we go on a melodic "go". Shift Down ready set go. The kids know to go on go. If we want to mix it up we call a "no play" and do not snap it at all on go to get the other team to jump. When I want a time out we call no play.When they dont jump we get them to sit on the count. We are no huddle 100% of the time so timeouts have not been extremel,y important. That sounds cool, but I'm curious how do you run your no huddle offense?? I coach 13 yr olds and I want to implement the no huddle and switch the cadence any input on this level would help! *we actually ran a silent count out of the gun we would walk up to the line and get set, then the center would wait about 1 second and snap it whenever he was ready, we put this in at about the 3/4 mark of the season and through the play offs and i think we had like 1 bad snap (it was in our last playoff game things went kind of crazy real fast that was the least of our problems lol).
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Cadence
Mar 18, 2007 8:59:08 GMT -6
Post by davecisar on Mar 18, 2007 8:59:08 GMT -6
One of the reasons we run our off/on cadence is because we run no hudde. In non-mercy ruled 10 minute quarter games I get off 50+ snaps, one game we got 71 snaps. More snaps equal more playing time = more fun. Plus if we are equal or better team, more possessions mean any whacky play or lucky breaks impact is lessoned. I also basically get to call an "audible" every play as I dont call the play in until we are lined up. We have wrist coaches for every player. 2 columns of 10 plays 0-9- each column is colored in red or blue. I call out "blue 789" that is out of the blue column and it is play# 9 if the last number is live. I call out additional blocking tags/called adjustments at end of play or change of formation at beginning of play. We use dummy calls as my kids know we wouldnt run a "no" or "G" call as an example on a wedge play etc. Example "Spread Blue 789 G"is a Spread, play Blue #9 ( TB power strong), with a "G" blocking tag. 75% what we run is out of the base set with no extra tags. I might add I played in the largest HS class in Nebraska top 5 Team with Dave Rimington as our center, DI QB that went to Missouri. We went on 1 every snap the entire season LOL. Why? Because we couldnt consitently go on 2, coach never put in a 'no play" it would have served that team well. Man did we waste a bunch of practice time on that one, went into the first game clueless on special teams.
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Cadence
Mar 21, 2007 8:37:42 GMT -6
Post by cqmiller on Mar 21, 2007 8:37:42 GMT -6
Down Color, # Color, # Set Hut (x3)
Different colors mean different things on different types of plays, #'s actually tell which play/routes we run
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Cadence
Mar 21, 2007 12:28:37 GMT -6
Post by tw on Mar 21, 2007 12:28:37 GMT -6
We go on 1 for all plays going right and on 2 for all plays going left. Nobody caught on. We started this at our jr high levels. By the time kids were on varsity it was simple. We could even do it with CWM's. It is a very simple and reliable system.
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