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Post by coachjaz on Jan 25, 2007 19:37:37 GMT -6
Coaches,
If anyone has spoken with me, they know that I am a split veer guy, if you haven't well thats what I am. I am always interested in learning more about football regardless of what side of the ball it is.
Since the Gun Option has been taking off recently I always try to enforce what I run, by understanding exactly why I dont run other things. Some of the questions are listed again, just because I am curious.
1. Is your main motivation for running shotgun option simply to spread the field?
2. One of the split veer's main claims to fame is that its an offense you can win with with inferior personnel. Therefore why run gun option and spread the field if you dont have athletes to spread the field with?
3. Have you had sucess with it, with limited talent?
4. How do you control the clock in the shotgun option?
5. What is your pass/run balance?
6. How much time can you devote to the passing game considering the amount of time it takes to teach the various options?
7. What are your base run plays other than the zone read and inside veer?
8. Since I am a novice at understanding the gun option, are there different styles of gun option? (Florida, West Virginia, Northwestern, Missouri, etc)
9. Do you prefer one back or two back gun?
10. I think thats all I have for now. Other than those, any general ideas why you employ this type of attack?
11. One more I had to edit in - How much "offense" in terms of plays and concepts is needed to be successful?
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Post by tog on Jan 25, 2007 19:38:42 GMT -6
Coaches, If anyone has spoken with me, they know that I am a split veer guy, if you haven't well thats what I am. I am always interested in learning more about football regardless of what side of the ball it is. Since the Gun Option has been taking off recently I always try to enforce what I run, by understanding exactly why I dont run other things. Some of the questions are listed again, just because I am curious. 1. Is your main motivation for running shotgun option simply to spread the field? 2. One of the split veer's main claims to fame is that its an offense you can win with with inferior personnel. Therefore why run gun option and spread the field if you dont have athletes to spread the field with? 3. Have you had sucess with it, with limited talent? 4. How do you control the clock in the shotgun option? 5. What is your pass/run balance? 6. How much time can you devote to the passing game considering the amount of time it takes to teach the various options? 7. What are your base run plays other than the zone read and inside veer? 8. Since I am a novice at understanding the gun option, are there different styles of gun option? (Florida, West Virginia, Northwestern, Missouri, etc) 9. Do you prefer one back or two back gun? 10. I think thats all I have for now. Other than those, any general ideas why you employ this type of attack? check out the clinic tonight there are a lot of ways to run gun option, not all of them are spread |
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Post by coachjaz on Jan 25, 2007 19:40:20 GMT -6
what time?
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Post by tog on Jan 25, 2007 19:50:07 GMT -6
about ten minutes
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Post by coachjaz on Jan 25, 2007 19:52:38 GMT -6
Hehe, thats what I thought
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Post by coachjaz on Jan 25, 2007 19:55:35 GMT -6
Since I am an idiot and cant find it. Where is the chat room?
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Post by poweriguy on Jan 25, 2007 20:02:08 GMT -6
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Post by airraider on Jan 26, 2007 9:16:40 GMT -6
If you missed the clinic or just wanted your questions answered here, here is my take.
1. Is your main motivation for running shotgun option simply to spread the field?
Run the Spread mainly to spread the field and get my athletes into space. The more field you make the defense cover, the better your options reads should/could be.
2. One of the split veer's main claims to fame is that its an offense you can win with with inferior personnel. Therefore why run gun option and spread the field if you dont have athletes to spread the field with?
We all have athletes. An athlete in my program might be a 150lb kid running a 4.8 forty. Its not just about speed. Its about being able to do things in space. Evangel Christian Academy started out their program with horrible athletes and elected to go to a 13 yard shotgun spread offense because they didnt have the athletes to run the ball down people's throats. But they could get little bobby and johnny open in a coverage lane between two LB's and get him the ball. Now, in order to truely make them respect and cover the field vertically as well as horizontally, you need someone to push the threat down field. But I would rather have them spread across the field than nothing at all.
3. Have you had sucess with it, with limited talent?
Yes, the option in either situation allows you to basically play with an extra man because you eliminate at least one person that you have to block by reading/optioning off of him. This helps in terms of allowing you to have a double team or two here or there.
4. How do you control the clock in the shotgun option?
Same as any other option. The shotgun option is not much different of a system as the veer or anything else, its just a formation. The general principal is still the same. Make a guy choose then you react.
5. What is your pass/run balance?
Will vary of course. But Usually like to stay in the 60/40 pass to run range.
6. How much time can you devote to the passing game considering the amount of time it takes to teach the various options?
We usually spend around 15 minutes a day in pass scale sessions. We also will mix in the passing game during our team session. We also spend so much time on our passing game during the summer in 7 on 7 leagues and tournaments, that the passing game is second nature during the season other than some new things we introduce here and there. We also will usually do an indo time where the QBs and WRs go over drills and whatever for about 15 minutes.
7. What are your base run plays other than the zone read and inside veer?
We run trap, Power Zone, Zone Cut-back, G (if we are in a TE set), and counter with the QB. Even run counter Option and the Shuffle Option.
8. Since I am a novice at understanding the gun option, are there different styles of gun option? (Florida, West Virginia, Northwestern, Missouri, etc)
It really just varies on who you want to be your pitch man. Florida will motion in WR's and use them as their 2nd back or just let them do a drop relationship to be the pitch man. Were as some teams like WV will just align in a 2 back gun. Of course Florida will do that as well. Its just about the difference in formations, the general concept is the same.
9. Do you prefer one back or two back gun?
I prefer the one back with using slots either tight or loose in motion or drop relations as the pitch man.
10. I think thats all I have for now. Other than those, any general ideas why you employ this type of attack?
I just like the idea of taking someone that I would normally have to block and making him line up around 10 yards away from where I am planning on running the ball instead of the 2 yards if I were all packed in.
11. One more I had to edit in - How much "offense" in terms of plays and concepts is needed to be successful?
Just depends on your kids. The term successful is relative to your program. Define successful in terms of your program. Less plays from more formations is always good in my book.
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Post by jhanawa on Jan 26, 2007 11:06:02 GMT -6
1. Is your main motivation for running shotgun option simply to spread the field?
We run under center and shotgun, the reason we run shotgun is that it provides us a better passing game and its much easier to block our schemes and attack the edge because of the angles.
2. One of the split veer's main claims to fame is that its an offense you can win with with inferior personnel. Therefore why run gun option and spread the field if you dont have athletes to spread the field with?
By spreading the field you are creating bigger seams to run and pass against. Why run the split veer against 8 or 9 in the box from under center when you could run the veer against 5 or 6 in the box from gun? IMO, its easier to account for 5 or 6 than 8 or 9, particuliarly if I'm outmatched up front.
3. Have you had sucess with it, with limited talent?
We've had great success with it but we've had great athletes. We've also had success with our 2nd stringers that don't have the talent, really the only difference is the length of the runs, 1st kid might take it all the way and the 2nd kid only gets 10yards. I have no doubt that you can run this offense and have more success with it than the same offense under center with less athletic kids. I say this because in the gun you can overcome penetration and leakage up front easier and you can attack the edge easier, you can also throw the ball easier with better lanes, particuliary with a short QB that might have vision issues from under center.
4. How do you control the clock in the shotgun option?
I don't understand why running the ball from shotgun would be any different clock wise. We do get undercenter also, so in short yardage, we have the ability if need be to run our stuff from under center.
5. What is your pass/run balance?
Last year we were around 70% run and 30% pass.
6. How much time can you devote to the passing game considering the amount of time it takes to teach the various options?
IMO, it takes a lot less time to practice and perfect the option game from gun than under center. We spend equal time on run and pass in practice, we practice a lot of no huddle which gives us a lot more reps than a traditional type practice schedule, we do a lot of skelly and 7 on 7 in practice running our passing and perimeter run game (option), we do this both touch and full contact. Its a great way to practice operating in space on both sides of the football.
7. What are your base run plays other than the zone read and inside veer?
From Gun, we LOVE the Counter Trey Option and QB Counter Option, both using GT blocking. We also run Jet sweep and Speed Option.
8. Since I am a novice at understanding the gun option, are there different styles of gun option? (Florida, West Virginia, Northwestern, Missouri, etc)
Absolutely, just as under center there are various types, wishbone veer, split back veer, Nebraska power option, etc.
9. Do you prefer one back or two back gun?
One Back. We get the other back into pitch position either by motion, backpedalling or a WR in motion. We also motion a back into the backfield and "trade" assignments as a tendency breaker.
10. I think thats all I have for now. Other than those, any general ideas why you employ this type of attack?
It's strongest assest is its flexibility. You can run veer as a play in your offense from gun rather than having your offense revolve around it. An example of its flexibility would be in how you can incorporate jet motion in to the veer scheme for mis direction, something that isn't possible from under center. Its easier to be more balanced in the types of runs and passes that you use.
11. One more I had to edit in - How much "offense" in terms of plays and concepts is needed to be successful?
Not much, you can be as simple as pie, but you can also give different looks formation and backfield wise while maintaining simple schemes up front, this is its strong point.
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Post by tog on Jan 26, 2007 11:24:23 GMT -6
1. Is your main motivation for running shotgun option simply to spread the field?
no, we want it to enable us to do other things in the run game using the qb so we can play with all 11, being in the gun allows this much easier than under center, spreading the defense out has some major advantages, and we do that, but the main reason is as above
2. One of the split veer's main claims to fame is that its an offense you can win with with inferior personnel. Therefore why run gun option and spread the field if you dont have athletes to spread the field with?
gun does not = spread the field necessarily
3. Have you had sucess with it, with limited talent?
yes
4. How do you control the clock in the shotgun option?
same as under center option, and when we want to take out the "riskyness" of the option stuff, we have the qb wing-t style jets and stuff off the jets to go to and just pound it with limited meshes and reads
5. What is your pass/run balance?
depends on what we have at qb
6. How much time can you devote to the passing game considering the amount of time it takes to teach the various options?
it doesn't take long, we teach the options in chunks, pitch is a pitch, read is a read, getting it down in practice happens by the verbal blasts we use, and the simplicity of the system, we don't count, we talk about aiming points and most dangerous man, stuff kids can readily understand, so they don't have to think about who the pitch guy is, or who the read is, it's obvious
7. What are your base run plays other than the zone read and inside veer?
don't run zone read anymore, might again someday though
from doubles
jet, veer off jet, flip, qb trap off jet, zone option into and away from the jet
from flexbone doubleslot
orbit sweep, veer, flip, qb trap off orbit motion, zone option, speed option
8. Since I am a novice at understanding the gun option, are there different styles of gun option? (Florida, West Virginia, Northwestern, Missouri, etc)
lots of
demeo style---similar to what we do, without the jets
urban meyer style
wvu----- also similar to demeo but more spread out
northwestern---traditional zone read stuff
missouri---one back stuff, just from the gun
at least that's how i see it
9. Do you prefer one back or two back gun?
depends on what ya got
10. I think thats all I have for now. Other than those, any general ideas why you employ this type of attack?
people think it is some high tech new fangled deal, all it is is triple option football
11. One more I had to edit in - How much "offense" in terms of plays and concepts is needed to be successful?
i think you could get by with
out of doubleslot flexbone
orbit sweep
veer
midline
flip
qb trap off orbit
veer pass
and throw in some tricks, whams, powers etc and be good
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