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Post by John Knight on Feb 13, 2014 13:38:12 GMT -6
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Post by coachphillip on Feb 13, 2014 13:45:52 GMT -6
I'm curious now as to what the heck he says in his videos that have caused such an uproar.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 13, 2014 14:52:15 GMT -6
Without being from that area we wouldn't know what kids of things he is saying and preaching
If what he was saying was that bad then they made the right call
I'm all for having your religious beliefs ... But IMO that's a completely private matter
As soon as I hear anyone try to talk to me about religion, preach to me or anything like that I never want to speak to them again
I even feel uncomfortable with team prayer before a game Everywhere I've coached we've done it But honestly when I get a HC job I'll likely remove it
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Post by realdawg on Feb 13, 2014 15:15:55 GMT -6
Living in the Bible Belt prayer before the game is pretty much accepted. Though just recently a coach in the area was told not to pray with his team anymore. I heard someone from Wisconsin had seen him lead a team prayer on a YouTube video and complained and threatened a lawsuit. Idk if that part is true but it was all over the news and people from his community didn't like the decision.
Bdud-better be careful. You can't stop kids from praying on their own. That could get you in hot water just like making them pray.
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Post by coachphillip on Feb 13, 2014 15:20:06 GMT -6
I'm in the Bay Area as well. We tell our kids that if they want to pray then they could go to a separate room and do it. Most of our kids don't have strong enough opinions on their religious views to openly support it or deter it anyway. We just make sure it's a voluntary thing.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 13, 2014 15:24:54 GMT -6
Living in the Bible Belt prayer before the game is pretty much accepted. Though just recently a coach in the area was told not to pray with his team anymore. I heard someone from Wisconsin had seen him lead a team prayer on a YouTube video and complained and threatened a lawsuit. Idk if that part is true but it was all over the news and people from his community didn't like the decision. Bdud-better be careful. You can't stop kids from praying on their own. That could get you in hot water just like making them pray. no i would never tell kids they weren't allowed to play im in the bay area and praying before games is totally accepted... id say most teams do it either in locker room or on field together we have had kids of every religion pray together... I was just saying I don't think i'd ever make it something like ok everyone come in we gotta pray if they do it, whatever they do it, if they wanna thizzle dance to promote team unity before kick off whatever
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Post by realdawg on Feb 13, 2014 15:27:05 GMT -6
Legally, probably the best thing to do. Here, most of our kids are not overly involved religiously but accept prayer cause it's tradition. As far as the coach goes in the original post, it's hard to make a judgment unless you know exactly what he said. I personally would be ok with him getting the job but in today's society can see why he got voted down.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 13, 2014 15:27:19 GMT -6
I'm a big subscriber in to the
"do whatever the eff you wanna do " (hodge twins reference)
way of life
back to the OP if he was/is saying anti gay stuff/bullying in his sermons, then i agree he shouldn't coach statistically speaking we have all coached at least one gay kid without knowing it... let football be a safe place for him not a place to get bullied by this guy (assuming the allegations are correct)
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Post by fballcoachg on Feb 13, 2014 15:49:53 GMT -6
I didn't read your link but I have read in the past how the same guy yelled at and admonished other church leaders and attendees who supported or sent their kids to public schools because they "are establishments of evil indoctrination." Allegedly multiple times he has gone out of his way to discuss the evils of public schools. That alone should be reason enough not to hire him or bring him before the board, whether or not you like him you have to see the legal and social ramifications of considering him.
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Post by realdawg on Feb 13, 2014 16:01:24 GMT -6
The criticism of public schools is a good enough reason not to give him the job. I have a bigger problem with that than the other stuff-if true.
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Post by brophy on Feb 13, 2014 19:44:12 GMT -6
well, I guess if you put yourself out there like this, you can't really say you're being blackballed or anything. If you want to be a HC, understand what that mantle of leadership entails
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 13, 2014 20:01:07 GMT -6
well, I guess if you put yourself out there like this, you can't really say you're being blackballed or anything. If you want to be a HC, understand what that mantle of leadership entails Dang bro Why did you have to post that I tried watching it Very difficult I support him not getting the job now Surprised he calls himself coach in the videos You'd think he'd try to separate the two things
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Post by brophy on Feb 13, 2014 20:31:14 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Feb 14, 2014 11:18:19 GMT -6
well, I guess if you put yourself out there like this, you can't really say you're being blackballed or anything. If you want to be a HC, understand what that mantle of leadership entails Dang bro Why did you have to post that I tried watching it Very difficult I support him not getting the job now Surprised he calls himself coach in the videos You'd think he'd try to separate the two things As soon as he put the name "Coach" on this he eliminated himself from consideration for a public school coaching job.
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Post by brophy on Feb 14, 2014 11:19:09 GMT -6
he's got a whole youtube channel full of videos out there where he gives his vociferous opinions.
Is he being singled out for comments he made to friends? I figured since he has religious opinions, it would've been him spouting off stuff in the midst of a sermon he gave once or something.....
He was extremely easy to find just by googling his name. His stuff is out there with the intent of reaching a wide audience and is speaking from a platform as a believer and a football coach. It would appear that the content he is publishing has every intent to express his frustrations with certain people he doesn't agree with (take your pick). It isn't like he is consistently delivering a message of hope and goodwill in these videos (not as if one just happened to be in a skewed context).
Be careful what your online presence projects, I suppose.
I found the videos pretty entertaining (though I don't agree with anything he's saying), but thought it was hilarious that he complains about church pastors instilling 'compliance' in men, making the followers weak and soft.....but in another video pees his pants if his players or parents question him, because, well, "HE'S THE BOSS!"
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Post by fantom on Feb 14, 2014 12:06:45 GMT -6
Freedom of choice, NOT freedom for repercussions. Just ask this guy, former Gilberton, PA Police Chief Mark Kessler: This video is NOT-repeat, NOT- classroom or kid-safe.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 14, 2014 12:18:20 GMT -6
Meh. I understand why he didn't get hired, but the guy has a right to say whatever he wants. I don't think he should be surprised he didn't get the job, but some of you act like the guy was murdering puppies online.
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Post by ItalianStallion on Feb 14, 2014 12:59:48 GMT -6
Freedom of choice, NOT freedom for repercussions. Just ask this guy, former Gilberton, PA Police Chief Mark Kessler: This video is NOT-repeat, NOT- classroom or kid-safe. did you see his apology video?
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Post by brophy on Feb 14, 2014 13:23:01 GMT -6
the guy has a right to say whatever he wants.....some of you act like the guy was murdering puppies online. I haven't seen anyone caring about what he said or if he should be allowed to speak his mind. The only thing I've read in this thread is how his online persona has impacted his candidacy as a HC.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 14, 2014 13:33:25 GMT -6
the guy has a right to say whatever he wants.....some of you act like the guy was murdering puppies online. I haven't seen anyone caring about what he said or if he should be allowed to speak his mind. The only thing I've read in this thread is how his online persona has impacted his candidacy as a HC.
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Post by fantom on Feb 14, 2014 15:15:20 GMT -6
Just ask this guy, former Gilberton, PA Police Chief Mark Kessler: This video is NOT-repeat, NOT- classroom or kid-safe. did you see his apology video? Yep, and the video of the town council voting to fire him.
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Post by dubber on Feb 14, 2014 20:40:48 GMT -6
If the school board was voting on him becoming the head football coach, then that means someone (AD?) had to make such a recommendation.
Right?
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Post by nickferguson58 on Feb 15, 2014 10:03:10 GMT -6
Even if the videos did not exist (which clearly show that he should not be a high school coach), I think that any school district is within its rights not to hire this guy simply based off of the controversy and division that would occur within the community. Even if he were a great coach, you would have some kids who would not be allowed to play or parents would be extremely anxious or undermine the efforts of the whole staff.
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Post by brophy on Feb 15, 2014 11:05:55 GMT -6
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Feb 15, 2014 17:14:06 GMT -6
The problem is that he is using his position as coach to give power and legitimacy to his words. By using the title coach he is using the power and credibility within a community that the title carries to espouse his views, whether they're right or wrong. He's using the, "Hey I am a football coach, a pillar of most communities in America, someone of authority you can trust and who knows what's best" form of persuasion. He is within his rights as an American to espouse his views, but is on blurry, shaky ground when he uses his position as a coach and teacher as a way to validate his words. As stated before his videos, especially the one on bullying and the "Gay Agenda" would make him way too controversial a liability for many school districts. If he used these positions and held the same views as a far left atheist it would be equally unacceptable. It doesn't matter if he is Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or a Pastafarian in this case. He has limited himself to mainly private schools and certain areas in America by tying his position as a coach to his personal beliefs in these videos.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 16, 2014 21:18:54 GMT -6
Maybe he's not out of touch, maybe he doesn't just agree with it.
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Post by fantom on Feb 16, 2014 21:20:15 GMT -6
Maybe he's not out of touch, maybe he doesn't just agree with it. Then why does he want to coach at a public school?
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Post by brophy on Feb 16, 2014 21:41:20 GMT -6
Maybe he's not out of touch, maybe he doesn't just agree with it. and that's where it gets tricky here (for coaches). Just like we harp all the time on our kids to be aware of their online presence and how it can hurt the program (and themselves), so to in this situation... I'm not sure it was so much what he believes, but how he's projecting himself (using these views). The other issue isn't that this coach is adamantly telling everyone that "daggnabit, I believe every kid needs to have a 'B' average or I won't let them play ball", he's going out of his way using his mantle of 'coach' which he intertwines as his ministry, to delve into issues that he shouldn't be poking into of his player's lives (how would sexuality ever come up as a coach?). The other dynamic of his channel is, he's purposely trolling by how he sets up his arguments. He's adversarial in everything he's talking about leading to a combative response. Rather than trying to be inclusive or articulate why the sky is blue, every episode is geared to provoking a black/white type reaction (like a shock jock). When you play with fire, you'll likely get burned and in the arena of a public high school coach, let alone teacher, you're having less and less cards to play with that way
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Post by fballcoachg on Feb 16, 2014 21:57:02 GMT -6
Kind of crazy that this thread has lasted this long, seems extremely black and white. Guy bashes public schools, guy verbalizes and advertises public opinions that can cause the school lawsuits, guy has been fired multiple times because of his inability to keep his personal views out of the classroom and off of the football field, guy advocates bullying of those that don't fit his personal views, guy is not employed by a public school.
The only question is how did he even get brought up for employment, yes he has had a very good record but in a litigious society that resume shouldn't have lasted past a quick google search.
As I think DC stated, you have the right to say what you want but you aren't free from repercussions for those words.
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Post by de58 on Feb 16, 2014 22:24:54 GMT -6
This guy is an idiot and a misrepresentation of Christians. Unfortunately, the world is full of people like this. You've probably seen where the "pastor" from the TV show Snake Salvation was bitten by a snake and died this week. That's another terrible misrepresentation of Christians.
Most of the football coaches, and coaches in general, that I know are conservative and some of them are Christians. But, I don't know any who would act like that. It's sad because he think he is doing the right thing, when he certainly is not.
It's one thing for him to feel that way, and that is his right, but he should not expect to get any job in the public arena, especially teaching and/or coaching.
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