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Post by coachmason2 on May 10, 2007 15:22:58 GMT -6
I am not sure how to feel, so what do you guys think.
I have busted my butt the last 3 years at the Jr. high, and a new HC comes in. I am in line to move up and new HC gets rid of old staff, I tell him I want to be at the HS. I am told that i have to stay at the jr high because the other 2 guys I work with are not big football guys and they move our 4th guy up to "keep a closer eye on him" he is a slaker. So I don't get the nod because everyone eles dosen't do thier job.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2007 15:53:12 GMT -6
Definitely doesn't sound fair or right coach, but I'm not sure what to say  Sorry! |
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Post by airman on May 10, 2007 16:46:45 GMT -6
why would he move some one up to keep a eye on him. he fired the rest of the staff. seems like a contradiction in terms. you get rid of people you need to keep a eye on.
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Post by kloranc on May 10, 2007 17:18:15 GMT -6
sounds pretty bogus to me. I suggest you look into things a little more, and find out what is going on.
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Post by fbdoc on May 10, 2007 19:03:37 GMT -6
If you have to stay at the school, let him know your goal is to coach at the varsity level and ask him what he's looking for. Assumign you're going to be the head coach at the jr. high, mentor and devlope the other guys on you staff so they will be ready to take over when he moves you up.
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Post by poweriguy on May 11, 2007 10:43:56 GMT -6
Sounds like the new HC just screwed his own program.
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Post by ajreaper on May 11, 2007 14:11:44 GMT -6
You are looking at this wrong- you did not get the "nod" because you are the only one able to run the middle school program. You are a very important part of this coaches new staff- you prepare those young kids to move up to the high school level. You are providing the needed foundation for them and the program to be succesful. This coaches has given you a compliment in that he trusts you to get kids started off right. It's only a negative if you choose to make it one.
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Post by wildcat on May 11, 2007 14:38:51 GMT -6
Sounds like a slap in the face to me...no offense to junior high coaches, but I don't know of too many guys who want to make a career of coaching 7th and 8th graders.
To be honest with you, it sounds like you might have caught a break. If this is the way the head coach runs things, you are probably better off keeping a low profile down at the middle school.
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Post by kdcoach on May 11, 2007 15:28:24 GMT -6
Not sure I agree with the majority here. The Jr. High job is incredibly important in the development of the program. If I have a guy coaching my Jr. High that is good, I would ask him to coach his coaches so that he can move up. Train your replacement so to speak.I do agree that I think most Jr. High coaches are looking to move up and get to the varsity level. But if I were coming into a new situation and I had a very competent Jr. High coach I might ask him to spend one more year down there and try to bring the other guys up to speed to that he can move up. In a new situation that would be one major headache that you don't have to worry about. If you move up the competent one and leave slackers and incompetent ones behind then you have just shot yourself in the foot.
Not sure that I understand moving up the slacker if he's truly incompetent than I wouldn't want to reward him. Were the ones that let go teachers in the district? Were they volunteers or people that didn't teach? Is the slacker a teacher there? Maybe the new H.C. is being asked to evaluate him with the goal of getting rid of him at the end of the season. If any of these things are the case (and I certainly don't know if they are or are not) he may not be able to communicate those things to you. JMO.
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Post by coachjd on May 11, 2007 23:14:24 GMT -6
most important positions on a 7-12 staff are the 7-9 coaches. They develop and build the program fundamentally. Need good coaches who can teach football and develop pride and enthusiasm in the football program. No, it is not your goal, but do your best and good things will happen. It may not be at the same school. Put your time in, do what your asked to and go above and beyond to help build a great program and build yourself into a great coach.
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Post by poweriguy on May 11, 2007 23:23:25 GMT -6
Yeah. What Calande always says "Be Big Time where you're at" or something to that effect. It's good advice.
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Post by schultbear74 on May 12, 2007 21:57:21 GMT -6
I took a step back this year after having coached varsity ball for 27 years and coached Junior High ball. I prefer the High School, but having coached junior high for a year gave me a neat perpective on the game. I took the job because the new HC needed space and did'nt need a guy from the old regime around. This got me away from him and kept me in football for another year. I am truly greatful for the opportunity.
I can see the importance of coaching football at that level to the program as a whole. You are most likely an integral part of what is needed for the program to suceed. If you look at it as a negative, try to turn it into a positive. I did and it gave me one more season of memories.
This year, high school again. Another new school, another new HC. I hope that this is my best season ever and wish the same for you.
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Post by coachjim on May 13, 2007 15:18:24 GMT -6
I guess i'm going against the grain on this one but i'd take it as a compliment, as rjreaper wrote in his response. Also, aren't you glad you no longer have the slacker?
It reminds me of a similar thing at the job where I work. We have per diem guys and they work really hard to become full time, but sometimes they worry that if they work too hard, they will be more valuable as a part timer that works a lot and might not get the "nod."
It sounds similar, that they are keeping you there because of the great job you do. I don't advocate becoming a slacker but if you want to move upward, lose more and get lazy. It just might work. Isn't it wonderful how things work nowadays?
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Post by coachmason2 on May 13, 2007 17:49:09 GMT -6
Thanks guys really appricate the advice. I do take ot as a compliment but at the same time I am really chompin at the bit to get to high school. The guy that got moved up is an aid and there is pressure from the school board to move him there so... I am just going to make the best of it the new HC knows I want to move up I just recently passed my high school test so everything is in place for next year. Agian thanks
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Post by coachd5085 on May 13, 2007 18:28:10 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, how many of those who have said "take it as a compliment" or "the most important coaches on the staff are jr high/frosh coaches" are coaching at the jr high frosh level?
Not debating this point, but you also hear the same sentiments in the white collar world. CEO's often talk about their cashiers and clerks and tellers as being "the most important employees in the company"...and then they go of to enjoy their 130 million a year salaries while the "most important" employees struggle at Minimum wage.
Can't have it both ways on this one. I have seen many posts talking about how important jr high/frosh coaching is...and then in another thread use the term "Where it counts" in reference to the varsity.
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Post by schultbear74 on May 13, 2007 19:18:39 GMT -6
Coach D has a very good point. You do reward good people in the corporate world most of the time.
Sometimes though, the corporate world (as well as the coaching world) works with insecure, immature and insincere people who will only elevate people who are not talented enough to make them think that they can learn anything from them. Anyone who challenges them intellectually or spiritually is a threat.
The key to getting ahead in such a situation is to get out! There are places where you will be welcome. But, before you move- make sure that you are not the problem.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 14, 2007 19:32:05 GMT -6
schult...while you make some valid points..that wasn't my point at all LOL.
What I was referring to is the double speak. The "You guys are the most important" speech is rarely supported by actions that would indicate true belief in that statement. Whether it be commensurate pay in the corporate world or true respect and support in the coaching world, actions speak louder than words.
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Post by coachjim on May 15, 2007 5:32:35 GMT -6
I guess I fit into that category, I'm a youth coach, FYI, so it does make a difference in how I think I guess. My job is voluntary and most of you get paid. That does change everything, no doubt. Good point.
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Post by fbcoach33 on May 15, 2007 8:05:51 GMT -6
I would take it as a compliment, however you may want to have another meeting with the head coach and explain your long term goals and see what he has to say, im sure in his first year he want the JR high to be run well, you can train an ast. to take over for you and maybe move up the next year. If he doesnt want to budge on his position you will need to move on.
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Post by mander on May 17, 2007 11:48:32 GMT -6
As a former head coach of a 9-12 program, my thoughts:
Best assistant - Head Coach 9th grade
2nd best Assistant - Head Coach 10th grade
3rd best Assistant - Varsity Coordinator
I want a strong PROGRAM... not just a strong Varsity Staff... insert some quote about chicken salad and chicken poop...
If I can't keep my studs in the program, having fun and developing, then the Varsity will get run down...
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Post by coachnichols on May 17, 2007 12:17:11 GMT -6
Most coaches that I have known aren't going to be fired for losing middle school games or freshmen games. IMHO, if I put my best assistant at the middle school, then I'm hurting myself at the level where the "games count" for or against me. I am not trying to demean or put down anyone. The lower levels are extremely important of course.
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Post by wildcat on May 17, 2007 13:37:15 GMT -6
As a former head coach of a 9-12 program, my thoughts: Best assistant - Head Coach 9th grade 2nd best Assistant - Head Coach 10th grade 3rd best Assistant - Varsity Coordinator Coach - You are a braver man than I... If I am a head coach, the best assistants are going to be on varsity. As far as the lower levels go...I'm looking for a guy who can teach solid fundamentals and is a positive role model who will make the kids come back out next year. Xs and Os and playcalling ability and making adjustments really don't matter to me if I was looking for a guy to run my freshman or frosh-soph program. I just want someone who can reach the kids and make sure that the experience is fun so those kids come back next year. If I'm the head varsity coach, I want my OC and DC to be a lot smarter than me! That's why I would put the guys with the most ability on the varsity staff. Freshman and Frosh-Soph football is important, no doubt, but nobody is going to remember what the freshman team's record in 2007 was 5 years from...the varsity is what counts. |
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Post by coachmason2 on May 17, 2007 16:16:38 GMT -6
Good Points guys....I have accepted the fact I am going to be at the Jr high 1 more year, I am just going to give more responsiblity to the guy I feel could handle it next year and work my arss off during the season...and if I don't get moved up then...I will get a job where someone wants me. Thanks for all the advice
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Post by coachhortman on May 20, 2007 18:30:03 GMT -6
Coach,
I understand about the motivation about wanting to be part of the high school staff, I am in a unique position where I have the best of both worlds. I have been coaching jr high fb at Evangel, while aiding with the freshmen team. My main job is coordinating film from 3 views of film (wide, tight, endzone), transferring it to DVD and VHS, put it into our DSV software, make highlights for players etc. I am in line to possibly be the head coach of the jr high other than just being a OC, I get just as much pleasure out of coaching the youing ones as I do seeing the varsity succeed. How about possibly going to the HC and seeing if you could be fulltime scout for the varsity to show your worth in order to move to the hs next year?
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Post by coachmason2 on May 21, 2007 11:29:22 GMT -6
Scouting is part of the job not extra. I am already planning on spending my weekends in the field house
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Post by khalfie on May 21, 2007 17:56:22 GMT -6
As a former head coach of a 9-12 program, my thoughts: Best assistant - Head Coach 9th grade 2nd best Assistant - Head Coach 10th grade 3rd best Assistant - Varsity Coordinator Coach - You are a braver man than I... If I am a head coach, the best assistants are going to be on varsity. As far as the lower levels go...I'm looking for a guy who can teach solid fundamentals and is a positive role model who will make the kids come back out next year. Xs and Os and playcalling ability and making adjustments really don't matter to me if I was looking for a guy to run my freshman or frosh-soph program. I just want someone who can reach the kids and make sure that the experience is fun so those kids come back next year. If I'm the head varsity coach, I want my OC and DC to be a lot smarter than me! That's why I would put the guys with the most ability on the varsity staff. Freshman and Frosh-Soph football is important, no doubt, but nobody is going to remember what the freshman team's record in 2007 was 5 years from...the varsity is what counts. Where were you in the "staffing" thread in which I was taking a beating by coaches who believe in putting their best coaches at the freshman level... I agree wholeheartedly with you... Just wish you had a bigger sack and backed up your man... Good looking out cat!  |
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Post by wildcat on May 21, 2007 18:36:44 GMT -6
Coach - You are a braver man than I... If I am a head coach, the best assistants are going to be on varsity. As far as the lower levels go...I'm looking for a guy who can teach solid fundamentals and is a positive role model who will make the kids come back out next year. Xs and Os and playcalling ability and making adjustments really don't matter to me if I was looking for a guy to run my freshman or frosh-soph program. I just want someone who can reach the kids and make sure that the experience is fun so those kids come back next year. If I'm the head varsity coach, I want my OC and DC to be a lot smarter than me! That's why I would put the guys with the most ability on the varsity staff. Freshman and Frosh-Soph football is important, no doubt, but nobody is going to remember what the freshman team's record in 2007 was 5 years from...the varsity is what counts. Where were you in the "staffing" thread in which I was taking a beating by coaches who believe in putting their best coaches at the freshman level... I agree wholeheartedly with you... Just wish you had a bigger sack and backed up your man... Good looking out cat! C'mon, Khal...you have big shoulders...you can handle the load.  |
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