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Post by silkyice on Jan 3, 2014 8:30:52 GMT -6
Once had a kid reach his hand out after making tackle on sideline, I shake his hand (out of habit) he ask my name after I say he tells me his coach said to kick butt and take names thought he would get mine while he was there....all I could do was laugh. Literally laughed out loud. That was hilarious!
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Post by btex0127 on Jan 3, 2014 8:44:08 GMT -6
What about coaches trash talking other coaches? I've seen it a few times at the high school level where coaches will shout something across the field at the other sideline. Absolutely floored me. Anyone else seen anything like this? Yes seen it first hand. Again how do you teach the kids to be in control if you as a coach can't. Some of this comes from personal feuds, which makes it all the more unfortunate. Then you get into running up the score and such.
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Post by fantom on Jan 3, 2014 8:44:51 GMT -6
Once had a kid reach his hand out after making tackle on sideline, I shake his hand (out of habit) he ask my name after I say he tells me his coach said to kick butt and take names thought he would get mine while he was there....all I could do was laugh. Literally laughed out loud. That was hilarious! I'm not usually a fan of trash talk but if it's funny it's OK with me.
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Post by btex0127 on Jan 3, 2014 8:46:44 GMT -6
Funniest in game thing I have ever had. It was a rivalry game and they were destroying us, nice to have a little something funny during it.
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Post by olcoach53 on Jan 3, 2014 8:50:23 GMT -6
I have seen things like this before. In 2009 we had a kid literally stop in the middle of a play because of things the opposing teams head coach was saying at him. It was on film, the kid stopped and shrugged his shoulders and raised his hands to the ref because he had no idea what provoked the coach to do that. Of course the coach is a state champ so the refs did nothing.
The next year in our quarterfinal playoff game we had a trainer for the opposing team, probably 6'3 265, try to lower his shoulder into our starting QB when he ran into their sideline on a play. Pretty low class and clearly caught on film too. I spoke to his supervisor who did not want to pursue it any further because the guy was "going through a tough time" I still won't shake his hand.
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Post by btex0127 on Jan 3, 2014 9:29:44 GMT -6
I don't see where it has a place in the game but outside of the game a 18-19-20 year old is not a kid..and be and sometimes needs to be cussed out if not have his @$$ beat. Below 18 is considered KID...over 18 is big boy world where your mouth can talk you into an a$$ whoopin. Sorry but I disagree. I do not see where cussing out or beating his butt has a place at all. In football or otherwise. If you want people to play/work for you out of fear then yes it can work. But eventually they will lose that fear and your left with what? I played at a place like this, I played out of fear not respect. I have seen coaches coach like this and seen the same. What happens when things go wrong where will your support be? How do you pull team back together? You can have some success with this method, but long term success? I don't think so, this isn't the same world it was 20 years ago.
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Post by btex0127 on Jan 3, 2014 9:40:08 GMT -6
18 in HS is a kid, 17 at college is not, but all that is a mute point. Cussing a player at any level on a consistent basis does not produce the result you want as a coach. I don't care if he is 18 or 35 you won't get what you want doing it all the time. Just like a coach who yells all the time, players tune them out after awhile.
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Post by eaglemountie on Jan 3, 2014 9:42:23 GMT -6
I agree that once you are 18+ you are legally not a minor anymore but what about the responsibility of the adult to act in a professional manner and represent their organization/school with class?
I just don't see the gamesmanship or professionalism or logical reason for saying to a player "F you, you F'ing F--" after he makes a great play.
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Post by coachphillip on Jan 3, 2014 10:29:29 GMT -6
I'm glad I'm not alone in seeing this. I saw a Texas coach step over an Oregon player, flex, and then scream in his face. Dude, your playing days are over. How cowardly is that? Talking stuff knowing that the kid can't reciprocate with physical play. It reminds me of girls who pick fights at bars so that their boyfriends get beat down in their place.
Thanks for making me look like an idiot at work. I laughed way too hard at that bubblegum story.
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Post by captainken on Jan 3, 2014 11:37:52 GMT -6
I'm glad I'm not alone in seeing this. I saw a Texas coach step over an Oregon player, flex, and then scream in his face. Dude, your playing days are over. How cowardly is that? Talking stuff knowing that the kid can't reciprocate with physical play. It reminds me of girls who pick fights at bars so that their boyfriends get beat down in their place. Thanks for making me look like an idiot at work. I laughed way too hard at that bubblegum story. Coach there was about three. It was embarrassing! To me you play HS ball your a kid. Your in college and old enough to die for your country, your a big boy now. Welcome to the harsh cold realities of the real world.
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Post by s73 on Jan 3, 2014 11:45:09 GMT -6
I'm glad I'm not alone in seeing this. I saw a Texas coach step over an Oregon player, flex, and then scream in his face. Dude, your playing days are over. How cowardly is that? Talking stuff knowing that the kid can't reciprocate with physical play. It reminds me of girls who pick fights at bars so that their boyfriends get beat down in their place. Thanks for making me look like an idiot at work. I laughed way too hard at that bubblegum story. Not to get off the subjectbut what bars are you going to? LOL
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Post by coachphillip on Jan 3, 2014 12:05:14 GMT -6
I'm glad I'm not alone in seeing this. I saw a Texas coach step over an Oregon player, flex, and then scream in his face. Dude, your playing days are over. How cowardly is that? Talking stuff knowing that the kid can't reciprocate with physical play. It reminds me of girls who pick fights at bars so that their boyfriends get beat down in their place. Thanks for making me look like an idiot at work. I laughed way too hard at that bubblegum story. Not to get off the subjectbut what bars are you going to? LOL Ever been to a bar in Oakland? Lol
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Post by k on Jan 3, 2014 12:28:21 GMT -6
We played a big name team this year that was expecting to slaughter us. They got beat up in the trenches, their "all state" linemen and linebackers were soft and slow, we put up over 400 yards of offense and they didn't have a gap to run through all night... but they won (they had a kid we (or anyone his entire career) just couldn't handle). After the game their "well respected" head coach and his staff pushed their way through our players with multiple members of their staff putting their hands physically on our players and calling our players and staff a derogatory term for homosexuals... among other things.
No consequences.
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Post by bigcroz on Jan 3, 2014 12:49:00 GMT -6
What about coaches trash talking other coaches? I've seen it a few times at the high school level where coaches will shout something across the field at the other sideline. Absolutely floored me. Anyone else seen anything like this? Coaching at a school that had only had football for 4 years. I had 1 Sr, 2 Jrs my first year and lost games by large margins playing mostly frosh and soph kids. This team had lost to the same schools but 60+ for the last few years. Second year there, we are up by 35......late 3rd qtr, WB rips off a 70 yd TD run. (Only had 15 kids dressed for game). The whole staff of the other team start yelling obscenities across the field at me for being classless and running up the score.
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Post by powerfootball71 on Jan 3, 2014 12:52:42 GMT -6
I could honestly care less. Im not a fan of it didnt come up that way playing football in a rural town but ended up playing jc ball in L.A. and trash talking is a big part of the game to some ppl. Its what the kids see on tv so its what they do as long as it doesn't draw flags I Don't stress it. As a oline coach im more into teaching talking with your pads.
As a coach I dont get it I had my playing time to me any coach that needs to trash talk a player never did anything as a player. I do fall into some light banter with cb's from time to time but nothing major.
Never had a player trash talk me on the side line. I guess im just from the mentality of shutting ppls mouths if you dont like it do something about it and a coach trash talking my players is like a girl doing it in a bar thats cool but we are gonna find out if your man can back it up. I think a oline and a defence can do this.
In short I think in a pc world where ppl can spout off with no consequences in some wierd way I like the principal in football that if you do it with in the rules you can basically beat the hell out of some one that runs there mouth and not go to jail. So the built in checks and balances I dont care who talks in football you do something about it or deal with it.
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Post by newt21 on Jan 3, 2014 13:02:04 GMT -6
I always told my kids not to run their mouths at the opposing players, that the officials would handle it. I had a game this past year where the officials didn't handle it, and I yelled a few things, though I never cussed...nor would I cuss at a kid either.
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Post by fballcoachg on Jan 3, 2014 19:45:33 GMT -6
Not to get off the subjectbut what bars are you going to? LOL Ever been to a bar in Oakland? Lol Absolute worst part about working at bars in college, girls running their mouths thinking no one can touch them. Same problem I had in rougher schools, kids threatening adults/talking smack to adults then playing the "you can't talk to me like that" "you can't touch me card." I had a solid relationship with them but in the rare cases just laughed, maybe made a smart a$$ comment and made peer pressure work against them as their friends would usually jump in/make fun of them and defuse the situation.
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Post by mariner42 on Jan 3, 2014 21:00:15 GMT -6
Once had a kid reach his hand out after making tackle on sideline, I shake his hand (out of habit) he ask my name after I say he tells me his coach said to kick butt and take names thought he would get mine while he was there....all I could do was laugh. Literally laughed out loud. That was hilarious! That kid can play for me any day... That's brilliant. I only say positive things to opposing players and I expect anyone I'm coaching with to do the same. For an ADULT to talk trash to a STUDENT is unacceptable. I have had opposing players talk trash to me as a coach, which I've always thought was weird. Those situations usually end with "Worry about yourself, (their jersey #)". I will sometimes say positive things to our players in earshot of their players that might hurt their players feelings, but the intention of that is always to pump our guys up, never put them down. If I have a problem with an opposing staff, I'll bring it up post-game to their face. I did that this season after playing a team that refused to trade film with us (this is only JV football, mind you), in the post game hand shakes I made it very clear to them that I disapproved.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jan 4, 2014 1:09:40 GMT -6
Ever been to a bar in Oakland? Lol Absolute worst part about working at bars in college, girls running their mouths thinking no one can touch them. Same problem I had in rougher schools, kids threatening adults/talking smack to adults then playing the "you can't talk to me like that" "you can't touch me card." I had a solid relationship with them but in the rare cases just laughed, maybe made a smart a$$ comment and made peer pressure work against them as their friends would usually jump in/make fun of them and defuse the situation. Man, I've DEFINITELY been there. I teach/coach in a pretty tough area as well. I told one kid, "Look, I've been looking for a career change, and this teaching gig doesn't mean all that much to me. So, if this altercation we're having is the cause for me leaving here today, I'm going to make it worth my while before I go." It took him about ten seconds to translate in his mind what I meant. We've been cool ever since. And Lord, I'm glad he sat back down, cause he was built like Warren Sapp.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 4, 2014 12:35:56 GMT -6
We're supposed to be adults; running you're mouth at a kid (or another coach) is unprofessional.
I've had my fair share of run-ins with mouthy coaches and players. You know what most had in common? They were on losing teams that we had just beaten the hell out of.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 4, 2014 13:46:33 GMT -6
Absolute worst part about working at bars in college, girls running their mouths thinking no one can touch them. Same problem I had in rougher schools, kids threatening adults/talking smack to adults then playing the "you can't talk to me like that" "you can't touch me card." I had a solid relationship with them but in the rare cases just laughed, maybe made a smart a$$ comment and made peer pressure work against them as their friends would usually jump in/make fun of them and defuse the situation. Man, I've DEFINITELY been there. I teach/coach in a pretty tough area as well. I told one kid, "Look, I've been looking for a career change, and this teaching gig doesn't mean all that much to me. So, if this altercation we're having is the cause for me leaving here today, I'm going to make it worth my while before I go." It took him about ten seconds to translate in his mind what I meant. We've been cool ever since. And Lord, I'm glad he sat back down, cause he was built like Warren Sapp. There have been times where I've had a helluva hard time not saying this very kind of thing to a player. I just have to remind myself that they're kids and that their consequences for not listening to me far outweigh anything I could say to them in the heat of the moment. Case in point, a senior last year was talking about how drunk she got the night before. I told her to refrain from talking about those subjects in my room and to get back to her test. True to form, she flew off the handle, screamed, yelled and threatened to have her boyfriend "f- me up". I desperately wanted to fire back and tell her just how far she wasnt going to get in life with her attitude. I didn't, just booted her out and let her deal with the principal. She caused me a few more problems and didnt pay attention to anything anyone tried to teach her. A year later, she has two DUIs and got knocked up by the kid that was going to defend her honor. Funny how he's not around any more... Karma is a b-tch.
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Post by kwallis on Jan 4, 2014 14:10:44 GMT -6
I'm glad I'm not alone in seeing this. I saw a Texas coach step over an Oregon player, flex, and then scream in his face. Dude, your playing days are over. How cowardly is that? Talking stuff knowing that the kid can't reciprocate with physical play. It reminds me of girls who pick fights at bars so that their boyfriends get beat down in their place. Thanks for making me look like an idiot at work. I laughed way too hard at that bubblegum story. i've seen a few times during Texas games, and a lot of other teams. i really think, at the college level, a lot of those actions are coming from the strength coaches. it seems like there are so many of them, head and assistants/ga's, that act like they are there to get the sidelines pumped and talk $hit to the other team.
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Post by jg78 on Jan 4, 2014 14:19:47 GMT -6
I'm glad I'm not alone in seeing this. I saw a Texas coach step over an Oregon player, flex, and then scream in his face. Dude, your playing days are over. How cowardly is that? Talking stuff knowing that the kid can't reciprocate with physical play. It reminds me of girls who pick fights at bars so that their boyfriends get beat down in their place. Thanks for making me look like an idiot at work. I laughed way too hard at that bubblegum story. i've seen a few times during Texas games, and a lot of other teams. i really think, at the college level, a lot of those actions are coming from the strength coaches. it seems like there are so many of them, head and assistants/ga's, that act like they are there to get the sidelines pumped and talk $hit to the other team. I don't know if he talks trash to other teams, but Alabama's S&C coach is extremely vocal and hardcore - on the sidelines, in the weight room, everywhere.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jan 4, 2014 14:52:20 GMT -6
In my career, I've never had an opposing player verbally attack me directly. I have been on sidelines where I have seen it happen. I've also seen where a player will say something to an assistant and the coach will say, something to the affect of, 'why don't you focus on your play,' or 'don't worry about us, worry about you.' Is that wrong? I guess it's debatable. I think it is actually a coach making attempt to get a kid to get to look at his own inappropriate behavior. Anything said beyond that (from the coaches perspective) probably crosses the line.
This thread made me think a little. I do recall another time, very early in my career, where a player said something to me and I replied, "Why are you talking to me?" I was just shocked that he said anything to a coach (regardless of whether it was me or anyone else). When I was a player, talking to an opposing coach wasn't even something that remotely crossed my mind.
As a coach, if I ever get to that point, I hope I would take a hard look in the mirror. I don't think it is the most egregious infraction one can make, but it is important to be aware of ones words and sideline behavior.
I'm not sure I ever thought about this particular topic, to this extent, so I appreciate the OP.
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 4, 2014 16:11:19 GMT -6
In my career, I've never had an opposing player verbally attack me directly. I have been on sidelines where I have seen it happen. I've also seen where a player will say something to an assistant and the coach will say, something to the affect of, 'why don't you focus on your play,' or 'don't worry about us, worry about you.' Is that wrong? I guess it's debatable. I think it is actually a coach making attempt to get a kid to get to look at his own inappropriate behavior. Anything said beyond that (from the coaches perspective) probably crosses the line. This thread made me think a little. I do recall another time, very early in my career, where a player said something to me and I replied, "Why are you talking to me?" I was just shocked that he said anything to a coach (regardless of whether it was me or anyone else). When I was a player, talking to an opposing coach wasn't even something that remotely crossed my mind. As a coach, if I ever get to that point, I hope I would take a hard look in the mirror. I don't think it is the most egregious infraction one can make, but it is important to be aware of ones words and sideline behavior. I'm not sure I ever thought about this particular topic, to this extent, so I appreciate the OP. Anything you say back to them can be considered talking trash back that's why there are degrees to this. What you said back to the player isn't bad and definitely wouldn't warrant a talking to by the HC. Now the if you said what the OP is talking about to high school kids bow that's a different story. Talking about games on TV, who knows what is said when we see it on TV, we can't always read lips, just body language. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jan 4, 2014 16:44:47 GMT -6
In my career, I've never had an opposing player verbally attack me directly. I have been on sidelines where I have seen it happen. I've also seen where a player will say something to an assistant and the coach will say, something to the affect of, 'why don't you focus on your play,' or 'don't worry about us, worry about you.' Is that wrong? I guess it's debatable. I think it is actually a coach making attempt to get a kid to get to look at his own inappropriate behavior. Anything said beyond that (from the coaches perspective) probably crosses the line. This thread made me think a little. I do recall another time, very early in my career, where a player said something to me and I replied, "Why are you talking to me?" I was just shocked that he said anything to a coach (regardless of whether it was me or anyone else). When I was a player, talking to an opposing coach wasn't even something that remotely crossed my mind. As a coach, if I ever get to that point, I hope I would take a hard look in the mirror. I don't think it is the most egregious infraction one can make, but it is important to be aware of ones words and sideline behavior. I'm not sure I ever thought about this particular topic, to this extent, so I appreciate the OP. Anything you say back to them can be considered talking trash back that's why there are degrees to this. What you said back to the player isn't bad and definitely wouldn't warrant a talking to by the HC. Now the if you said what the OP is talking about to high school kids bow that's a different story. Talking about games on TV, who knows what is said when we see it on TV, we can't always read lips, just body language. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards Agreed. Volatile words can sometimes turn into actions. Lest we forget...the late GREAT Wayne Woodrow Hayes... Attachment DeletedI think my Dad told me he shed a tear the day they let him go.
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Post by newhope on Jan 7, 2014 12:11:03 GMT -6
No place for it. You're an adult, they are kids. Who trash talks a kid? What's the point? Shut up and coach your own kids.
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Post by scotdaking on Jan 7, 2014 23:08:21 GMT -6
I have witnessed some back and forth between coaches and opposing defensive backs and it surprised me the first time I saw it. The belittling comments made by the coaches were out of line. I could tell it was something done frequently with the goal being to get in the kid's head a little bit. I did not think it was the adult thing to do. The HC didn't have a problem with it.
I have been threatened once by an opposing LB. I remember shouting to one of our players to run him over next time not realizing the LB would take offense to it and direct his anger toward me. I saw him looking at me and gesturing but ignored it and then one of my players came over and said coach he wants to fight you. I said what? My player said yep that LB said to tell your coach to meet me after the game. I am a 6 foot, 236 lb adult, and I am thinking is he for real? I look over to their sideline for a reaction perhaps maybe some disciplinary action in order and nothing....just cold, hard, motionless stares back my way. I wanted to tell my players to take him out but I did not. That's what we would have done as players back in the day for our coaches. Maybe I just wasn't deemed worth it by my own players.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 8, 2014 10:23:41 GMT -6
I agree that once you are 18+ you are legally not a minor anymore but what about the responsibility of the adult to act in a professional manner and represent their organization/school with class? I just don't see the gamesmanship or professionalism or logical reason for saying to a player "F you, you F'ing F--" after he makes a great play. My response was NOT geared towards players in any fashion, as I do not cuss or even criticize any player on a personal level and never have but rather the incessant need for our society to coddle kids deep into their 20's unable to let go and let them grow up and handle their own life. As a parent I always thought it was my job to work ourselves out of a job with our kids at or around the age of 18. Not to continue to "mother" them until age 27 but to be there for them on a as needed basis as they continued to grow up. But not in today's society...nope...they are still considered "kids" until around age 25/26. Which IMO, is complete BS. I agree we coddle kids. But I don't see this coddling past high school or at least freshman year of college.
It might have something do with my kids still being in high school. I might change my tune when my kids have friends who are 25. But right now, I don't see it.
If it is happening, it is complete BS.
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Post by gators1422 on Jan 8, 2014 14:46:21 GMT -6
Love your story coach. Some people take it to far but when there is some talking the intensity level is way higher. I've seen exactly what you're describing at 7 on 7's and most of the time it is just how you described. It appears heated but when its over its over. We love having our kids compete against mostly black schools just because of this reason. They aren't just trying to beat you physically but mentally too.
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