barnone
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Post by barnone on Mar 26, 2007 8:14:02 GMT -6
I know most of you have stories like this, but I just need to rant for a minute. Please accept my appology in advance.
I got a call last night that one of our player was shot on Sat. night and was in ICU. He should turn out ok. Sad deal the kid signed to play at a DII here, and made (in my opinion) the winning play in the State Championship game, after being hurt and comming back into the game. He was one of those kids that will be almost impossible to replace next year.
Point of my rant is this crap, they say it stemmed from some gang issues. I am tired of seeing good kids, do good things, and then be in the wrong place at the wrong time. At some point in time someone has to come up with a plan to end this crap.
There sorry for the rant, just a litttle pissed about the situation and feel sick about it.
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Post by kboyd on Mar 26, 2007 14:50:58 GMT -6
That's a lousy deal and unfortunately all we can do as coaches is show the kids that there are better choices out there and help point them int he right direction. A situation such as that where he's in the wrong place at the wrong time is horrible. I hope he's all right and let him know that there are a lot of old coaches out there pulling for him.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Mar 26, 2007 14:54:11 GMT -6
I feel for you coach. Glad it sounds as though he will be OK. A lot of kids (a lot who are now coaches... like myself) have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. Hopefully with this experience he will learn what is the wrong place/wrong time. I (and many others) had to learn the hard way too, but it would be nice if someone could learn from ANOTHER'S experience. Probably a good time for all of us to recognize we must continually remind kids that they are not invincible... that was a real foreign concept to me growing up. Sometimes I forget that.
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Post by coachveer on Mar 26, 2007 16:32:32 GMT -6
The big plan is folks like you, me, and everyone else who cares for kids like that...One kid at a time. It just takes longer thats all.
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Post by coachcoyote on Mar 27, 2007 0:27:06 GMT -6
Our thoughts and prayers are with your boy. Coaching is similar to raising your kids. Point 'em in the right direction, teach them values, then they have to make the decision.
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crl
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Post by crl on Mar 27, 2007 1:29:57 GMT -6
Sorry for the news Coach. Coaches I am going to express myself in certain terms which may be unpleasant to some. This Do-Do started with the NBA and the acceptance of THUGISM, it has worked its way down to the NFL- Baltimore Ravens- Drug pusher- Murderer- one left off for plea bargain the other served time in jail that he choose so that he could still play ball. Cincinnati would have been a better ball club, if it would have kept half the team out of jail on any given Sunday the recent shooting and deaths in Denver and San Diego the Pacman issue. Now this S**t has worked itself to the college programs- I was Shocked that Terford at Cal allows this in his players...how far has winning become the sole reason and {censored} all convention to law and order and decency in our society. Coaches, can you tell me that you do not know what these kids are up to and about? Dress Slang Music- Rap- where every other word is -I, MFer. Bit**es, Pimp-my mother told me as a child the lowest form of Man is a Pimp, now its a title of respect! Look I am no saint and I out cuss a sailor, but I understand the value of self-respect and I pass that along to my players. I also tell them and apologize for my weakness as far as wording. I am a child of the 60´s, I am a democrat, I am a liberal but what I am is not blind. This is not about changing social convention, but about "say hey its OK to kill someone to get respect", to cry foul about the ghetto to preserve its culture...gee it use to be to fight your way out, not bring it to your world as if you were sharing a Holy Host-forgive the blasphemy, but I need to make a point. I say take the street away from the kid, make the rules stick. Rap ok- censored clothes- get rid of the bling and the G look(gangster) hats-off always in school when indoors no do -rags no tolerance-in trouble off the team no show-boating, they do it they don´t play. No thumping chests and A- typical thug behavior. Sometimes losing because the best won´t go with the program, or have we as coaches lost sight that we have other members of the team that we need to work on to make good players, and with enough good players we can still win. My example was that Documentary on the Black HS in Florida- what kinda of S**T was that? Yet if a social comment was made by a Coach in a respectable program he would be labeled a racist or out of touch with the troubled youth in Black America, wait I thought that Inclusion was the way to go so there would be just America! I am recruiting players from the States, thug picture and implications of "My Boys" attitude and half of these players can´t write or spell or their own profile is littered with slang. Everything sifts down to the lowest level- HS/MidSchool, my Coach made a difference in my life, I work my hardest to do the same. Maybe Coaches we need too also, their is a film , not the greatest but it has a meaning behind it, "Coach Carter" I advise you all to see it and reflect on your own skills as a Coach and ask yourself "Am I Doing Enough" ? My intention was not to preach or point fingers at anyone...my intention is to wake us up. video.msn.com/v/us/foxsports.htm?g=86BDD32F-F6B5-43C8-BAA7-A3A32F6D97AC&f=33&fg=copyagain empty words, trying to fool us with good intentions, but basicaly full of horse puckey... Thanks CRL
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Post by 3rdandlong on Mar 29, 2007 14:24:01 GMT -6
CRL, I agree with what you are saying and completely understand your rant. However, I would ask what is "typical thug behavior." Believe me when I say that I am definitely not politically correct, but using slang and listening to hip hop are not the only components of a bad kid. Some of the best kids I've come across have great character, but little education and that's more of a reflection of the parents than it is anything else. IMO it is our job as coaches to emphasize no showboating and some of the other things that you listed, but just because a kid may come from the Hills and wears nice clothes and uses proper English all the time, does not mean that he has high character.
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barnone
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Post by barnone on Mar 30, 2007 10:36:51 GMT -6
First off thanks guys for the well wishes. Last I heard he is going to recover just fine and be able to go on to college and play football. They are going to leave the bullet in him though, so hopefully it will serve as a reminder to him of the company he keeps and the places he goes.
Secondly to respond about the above. I agree with both points, but will tell you I don't think music and slang are good indicators of Thug behavior. I teach at an inner-city school that is about 98% African-American (we have no players of any other race). If we used that tool to indicate thugs our whole school would be thugs, and we have some really good kids that come through here. We also have some thugs, but we have more kids that are good, not to mention an Army-All American that is going to Tenn.
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crl
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Post by crl on Mar 30, 2007 13:01:16 GMT -6
Sorry Fellas Firstly I am happy to hear that all will be well. Secondly, Thugs- kids look up to greatplayers, young players worship them. I am not saying all Kids are Thugs because of the rant above, maybe I was not clear. What I am saying is that this behavior in the NFL, College which is paid lip service is a model to them.
Guys, don´t get me wrong...inner city, hey Lived in NYC for 15 years I know inner citys. I understand the slang thing...but where does it stop? Hey I had great kids too, but we can´t go home with them, we can´t stop them being who they are. What we can do is educate them in the ways outside of the "Hood", this year we had a Good QB out of Richmond, JC transfer. Great Kid, he had a terrible time wording the Offense calls so I helped him. I also taught football 101, white players and black players, from all economic backgrounds, half of them could not write I took the 30 mins I was given and on my own time tutored the players, and hey D´s became C´s and B´s that alone was great. I don´t have the answer, I wish I did, and yeah I will Rant, but its because Gosh Darn it I care! Its not the Music- its what the Music say´s its what the Video´s glorify- Hey I don´t care what you listen too, but what you express as Good...give me a break. Slang, hey I use it too, but they need to speak and write in the world outside of South Bronx- St Nics and 138th-Morningside. I´m ranting again sorry... Thanks for the imput and thanks for the correction. CRL
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Post by bearcat4life on Mar 30, 2007 15:37:53 GMT -6
Coaches
It all starts in the home and parents taking the responsibility of raising their children. One of the biggest ways that people tend to change is by examples from other people. SO it makes it very important who are children hang around with and what we do when we are with them. Its not so much what they hear or see,but that they are made clear on what is acceptable behavior and what is not. We have to spend time with our kids, sit down with our kids and put them first.
That is why the time you spend with your kids can be such of an impact. They watch everything we do . Don't take it lightly you just might make a change.
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Post by coachjim on Mar 31, 2007 3:36:14 GMT -6
Coach, Your player is in my prayers. It's sad but most of the individuals that I played with in the early eighties have all turned out badly, as well. It seems that as youths they had this dream of being a sports star and when reality hits in high school, that they were not any more talented than the thousand other kids trying to accomplish the same things, most fall apart. The dreams die and often, they follow right behind their dreams. The saddest story is our RB from those days. To this day he continues to hold the TD record for the state and was the best I had ever seen. The kids eventually got taller and quicker and eventually he found that he was not as special as he thought. He turned to drugs and then jail. They all did. I think each of us has a story exactly like yours or more than one. It should come as no suprise, however, they are products of our sick, misguided social values and the importance on something, that is in reality, no more or less than just a game. Best of luck with your player, my heart goes out to him.
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