Xenith helmets?

We bought 60 this year, some kids liked them others did not. 2 biggest complaints were the ear piece cuts their ears ( had a bunch that cut theirs), other was kids don't like to have to have chin strap SO Tight, I know that should be how they be worn but they are not going to do that.

I have heard through various sources that Xenith Helmets use an old rejected or passed over Riddell design. I would investigate them thoroughly.

I have a much longer list of cons in regard to schutt and riddell. The other brand we are looking at are Rawlings but they look like you get what you pay for (cheap).

Check out SG Helmets.  Saw them at a conference the other day and these are some very interesting pieces of equipment.  Could not believe how light they were.  

I have bought 2 Xenith helmets for my own sons, but this year went with a new Revo to replace my youngest sons Xenith.  He liked it better as far as the fit and feel.  

A good number of our kids' parents purchased the Xenith and we had great results with them. Every one of them had prior concussions with other helmets, not one had another while wearing the Xenith. Two years ago, we had 17 concussions.

If you understand the technology behind the Xenith, it makes sense. It is one of the top rated helmets on the market, fixing can be tough during the game, get someone during the offseason to learn how to work on them, it will limit the down time.

17 concussions in one season? My teams have had just a few in twenty years!

Totally agree with that Jay.  We tell the kids to make sure the helmet is fitting properly and we will adjust it at any time.  We put a premium on development of traps and neck work.

All that being said we are mostly Speeds and DNAs with a few Vengeance helmets.

Yeah, now that is 17 "diagnosed". In 2010, there was an emphasis placed on TBI during play and our county implemented "impact" testing, which is designed to determine a baseline vs secondary post trauma test. If your post trauma test is below your baseline test, YOU HAVE A CONCUSSION. We have had zero in the last two years that I remember.

No he is talking about a computer test that the kids take before the season and then after a suspected concussion.

Is there any testing on kids who haven't had certain amount of G forces? Any testing on players that didn't even get in the game?

What I am asking is how do we know that those tests are vaild? How do we know whether or not some kids just can't do well on them tired, or stressed, or with their heart rate up, or with sweat in their eyes, or with good looking cheerleaders looking at them, or the band platying, or just with all the distractions of the game.

I have zero problem with holding a kid out. Zero. But it is not a concussion until a doctor says it is. Just because you fail a test in the middle of the game does not mean it is a concussion. It should be a reason to hold him out, but it doesn't make it a concussion for sure.

And don't jump on me about player safety. I am not about to put a player out there that I even suspect has a concussion. As a matter of fact, it is out of my hands and I am glad. Our trainer and team doctor handle that.

I just have a problem with these test when a kid isn't even showing symptoms. Should we put sensors on their arms and legs and force them to have an xray if the sensors go off?

Also the only non biased study I've seen is the VA tech study. Any other numbers are trying to sell you something.

We have been through this on other threads.  There are MILLIONS of players who played the game with incredibly worse helmets, taught to tackle with their head, and kept playing with repeated with concussions and while they concussions that are completely fine and are 60, 70, 80 years old.  They are our fathers, uncles, former coaches, people we go to church with. 

I am not saying that CSTE is not real, but I really think we are now at a point in time that we have effectively eliminated it except for rare cases.  I am talking about todays 18 year olds.  I just don't think that a kid that plays now and then college and then in the NFL  is really at high risk for CSTE anymore.

Why?  Because we have tremendously better helmets.  We don't teach tackling with our head anymore.  And we are not stupid enough to play someone who really has a concussion.  Players know it, coaches know it, trainers know it, doctors know it, and most importantly parents know it.  And we will pull out players who have symptoms and get them checked.

But we have swung this thing so far the other way it is getting stupid.  17 concussions in one year? Really?  Really? 

Wow... OK this has been a touchy topic even in our staff...
We have a sensor in all 100 of our kids helmets. It recorded each & every impact sustained regardless of magnitude or situation..

The process is simple :
1) sensor goes off
2) athlete is assessed by therapist
3) based on results compared to baseline data athlete is either back at play or on hold for 20min afterward another more elaborate assessment is performed if athlete was held out of play. This is done to relax the athlete allow heart rate to normalize. At that point if an athlete fails the baseline they sit.
4) the next day they do a full baseline & return to action protocol is initiated. Now it's a concusion
5) Each subsequent day an athlete completes an online symptom scale assessment

Look I'm not on you about safety. But let's get real we have guys blowing their brains out related to CET & we are learning it's not just the blows that = symptoms here it's all of them .
Coach I was shocked when it was taking close to 20 days to get a player back. So I checked with our specialists they showed me all the research on this stuff. The developing brain heals differently plain & simple.

I'm all for an increase in safety if that means a different helmet great if it means sensors on every limb go for it. Because in the future if we are not doing these things we won't have football.

In lawsuit happy USA imagine what level liability coaches / schools / school districts have on their shoulders should someone sue over CET or even hey my kid had a 90 average played football and now can't get into Yale .. Look this is about safety plain and simple . My guess is you use a computer not a typewriter?
The advancements in tech make our work lives easier it's going to make our game safer to, but first we need to drop the dinosaur mentality...

We have typically had Riddell, Rawlings, and a few X2s. Our kids didn't like the X2s as much, although we found that they were great helmets to bring to games as extras. Since all of the padding is built in, we felt it was much quicker to get a good safe fit, than searching for the right size helmet, jaw pad thickness, etc.