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Post by resdeal on Nov 14, 2013 18:42:31 GMT -6
Looking for opinions on stretching. In college we never team stretched before practice Monday through Thursday. We would team stretch on Fridays and game day. Don't remember any major muscle injuries. How much time do you spend team stretching? Do you use static or dynamic stretching? Possibly a combination of the two? Do any of you do a post practice stretch?
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Post by shocktroop34 on Nov 14, 2013 18:51:05 GMT -6
In practice we would dynamic and start practice. Pregame and game day we would dynamic, and immediately after do static, and then continue with skill drills. I didn't really get it, but the kids say they felt better that way, so I just went with it. On tough practice days I would static after practice if we had time. It would help. I've read more posts where guys are doing away with warm up stretching altogether. I'm leaning toward that in the future.
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Post by resdeal on Nov 14, 2013 19:06:51 GMT -6
We currently spend 20+minutes stretching to begin practice. We do both dynamic and static. Never after practice. During track season we dynamic stretch before our workouts and do some athlete specific static stretches (javelin throwers stretch upper body). Starting to think it may be beneficial to dynamic stretch before practice and static stretch after.
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Post by coach2013 on Nov 15, 2013 6:56:50 GMT -6
I don't actually believe in stretching but we do it for those that do.
Our practice starts at 230, in form running and dynamic stretch lines. we do the usual, high knees, butt kickers yadda yadda, and then we have our captains each pick 2-3 stretches. the whole deal takes about 10 minutes.
benefits:
the cats are already hearded and theres structure so we can quickly take attendance, assistant coaches/head coach has time to do whatever stuff comes up, set up drills etc.
late guys only miss stretch.
but we by no means "give up practice time" to stretch, our practices are long. 3 hours, cut it back to 2.5 in November and that includes stretching.
some days we skip it altogether but we probably stretch 2/3 practices a week.
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Post by newhope on Nov 15, 2013 11:11:52 GMT -6
Stretching? You're talking about stretching? Stretching? On the discovery channel I have never seen a cheetah stretch before it chases down a gazelle. and a cheetah runs at 65 mph...your kids don't run that fast. Phfffffttttttttttt..."stretching"....seriously? I've never seen those cheetahs or lions stretch, either....but then, they are WAY better than their opponents, so they don't need to.
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Post by coachphillip on Nov 15, 2013 11:20:19 GMT -6
Ten minutes at the beginning of practice to do a quick dynamic and then our school jacks to start the day. It's done for the same reasons 13 does them. CYA - Parents go lawsuit happy about everything. They're all there for attendance. There's some kind of structure to get their minds right. Late kids don't miss instruction. Our HC can have a little bit of wiggle room since we go from stretch into special teams. He can handle the administrative BS. Our kids also prefer to do a short static on game days. They said they feel better. I don't think it's physical though. I think they like static on game days because they get to have controlled breathing and that's usually when it really starts to sink in that you have to knuckle down about an hour before the game starts.
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Post by blb on Nov 15, 2013 11:30:50 GMT -6
I've never seen those cheetahs or lions stretch, either....but then, they are WAY better than their opponents, so they don't need to. DC puts a finger on chin...stares off into space with a blank look... an excellent point. Touche' Those big cats sleep three days after eating, too. Ever see a lion or other such animal wake up? They stretch like crazy when they first arise.
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Post by windigo on Nov 15, 2013 14:43:28 GMT -6
Been a lot of talk about this in the strength and conditioning forums.
There is no evidence that cold stretching before a workout does anything to reduce injuries. There is a lot of evidence that stretching before a workout makes you weaker. The stretch reflex temporarily weakens the muscle.
What does reduce injury and what does make you a better athlete is flexibility. Which is the product of a long term established stretching routine that is best done when you are warm.
IMHO a good dynamic warmup to start practice and a nice stretch to end it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 18:25:42 GMT -6
This year we did not stretch before practice for the first time ever. Did about 2 minutes of form running and went right into tackling and D ind. no injury problems at all and practice got going at a great tempo right away. Did the same thing during summer conditioning only we did a quick static stretch after running.
We still stretched briefly during pregame warm ups just because the kids wanted that part of the old routine. No other reason, maybe it stretched out their game pants.
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Post by gibbs72 on Nov 15, 2013 19:38:57 GMT -6
This year our head coach how to stretch in position groups and we did more dynamic stretching where we did some very basic fundamental technique things it allowed us to stretch and do some everyday drills at the same time I really like this
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 15, 2013 22:30:01 GMT -6
All dynamic by position group. Takes about 5 min.
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Post by jg78 on Nov 16, 2013 11:05:49 GMT -6
I've never been all that big on warmups - before practice or games. Before practice, I like to have a static stretch (as much for structure as anything else) and a brief pursuit drill. Lasts about 5 minutes total. And then we get to it.
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 17, 2013 18:33:29 GMT -6
We do no stretching. We actually do some decent hitting right away. Either no need to or we do fine despite not doing it but we are lucky enough to be 11-0 at this time.
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Post by carookie on Nov 17, 2013 19:51:32 GMT -6
15 minutes of speed training and form running to start practice.
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Post by blb on Nov 18, 2013 6:36:19 GMT -6
Flexibility is something teenagers need to continue to develop as dco said.
We Stretch for about 5 minutes before AM practices in Two-a-Days, In-Season on Mondays to help work soreness-stiffness out and get "Football Muscles" back after weekend, and in Pre-Game.
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Post by smfreeman on Nov 19, 2013 11:47:15 GMT -6
During the season we start right into individual drills with the first 10 min emphasis on getting warmed up based on position. We only static stretch post practice and games and I have actually had less muscle issues than ever before. Also we have a huge emphasis on flexibility in the off season. During games we go right into individual just like practice. I hate doing things differently for games.
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Post by dubber on Nov 19, 2013 13:28:02 GMT -6
Just to set the zoological issues straight. To the OP, I like static stretching at the end.......also important in off season.
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Post by amthd45 on Nov 19, 2013 20:46:25 GMT -6
Here is the answer to stretching.....
Put a rubber band in the freezer overnight. Take it out and stretch it first thing in the morning, it will break right?
If a rubber band is at room temp it will not break.
Same thing with muscles. Stretch them ONLY when they are Warmed up! That means AFTER exercise and activity. When I switched to this philosophy about 10 years ago, I have not had a SINGLE kid with a muscle pull yet. Doesnt mean it wont happen, just my experience. I am sold on only doing dynamic warm ups, and leaving the static stretching for after practice/workout.
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Post by coachpsl on Nov 20, 2013 8:23:42 GMT -6
Here is the answer to stretching..... Put a rubber band in the freezer overnight. Take it out and stretch it first thing in the morning, it will break right? If a rubber band is at room temp it will not break. Same thing with muscles. Stretch them ONLY when they are Warmed up! That means AFTER exercise and activity. When I switched to this philosophy about 10 years ago, I have not had a SINGLE kid with a muscle pull yet. Doesnt mean it wont happen, just my experience. I am sold on only doing dynamic warm ups, and leaving the static stretching for after practice/workout. I have never heard this analogy, I'm sold now.
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Post by blb on Nov 20, 2013 8:30:47 GMT -6
Here is the answer to stretching..... Put a rubber band in the freezer overnight. Take it out and stretch it first thing in the morning, it will break right? If a rubber band is at room temp it will not break. Same thing with muscles. Stretch them ONLY when they are Warmed up! That means AFTER exercise and activity. When I switched to this philosophy about 10 years ago, I have not had a SINGLE kid with a muscle pull yet. Doesnt mean it wont happen, just my experience. I am sold on only doing dynamic warm ups, and leaving the static stretching for after practice/workout. I have never heard this analogy, I'm sold now. We won't require any of our players who sleep in freezers to do Flexibility for Warm-up. Actually before we stretch our kids have been through a 15-minute Specialty period so the blood should be flowing some.
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Post by joelee on Nov 20, 2013 9:15:07 GMT -6
We don't stretch on offense, defense sometimes stretches after practice. Haven't had 1 muscle pull all year.
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Post by newt21 on Nov 20, 2013 12:49:38 GMT -6
Dynamic warm up to begin every day, static to end every day (even on game days). I believe that it primes the body for activity, it also gets the kids into a routine that never changes (even on game days).
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