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Post by vassdiddy on Dec 9, 2007 20:35:51 GMT -6
Anyone see the Steelers run Fly Sweep near the GL against the Pats?
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Post by coachjoe3 on Dec 9, 2007 20:52:10 GMT -6
I saw it, they didn't get in. If I remember right, there was no one in the backfield and had everyone in tight. It was a straight handoff with no fake or misdirection, so I think that's what might have killed it.
I'd be interested in what everyone thought. Right call?
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Post by CVBears on Dec 9, 2007 20:59:53 GMT -6
I could be wrong, but I thought there was a RB in the backfield and the formation was like a DW only that one wing was flexed to the sideline and that became the jet guy (H. Ward?).
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Post by coachjoe3 on Dec 9, 2007 21:08:28 GMT -6
You might be right.
Dang, now I wish I taped it!
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Post by wildcat on Dec 9, 2007 21:09:34 GMT -6
Ward was the guy they handed off to on the sweep. Was an ugly play and probably not the best place to run something like that.
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Post by rocketcoach on Dec 9, 2007 21:27:04 GMT -6
It was an attempt at running Jet Sweep. There was no back in the backfield and that would have helped for a little better deception. Also Ward should have been coached to get to the sideline at a full sprint before turning up. He turned it up way to quick and got caught up in the trash instead of running away from the trash as the play is designed to do.
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Post by 7523 on Dec 9, 2007 21:58:18 GMT -6
They started in the backfield, and motioned to an empty set then Ward went in motion. Ward took the handoff.
How do you have your players get to the edge when the jet is handed off at such a flat angle?
Do you think it would have worked on a 2nd or 3rd down, my thought was that on 4th and goal at the 1 the slightest penetration is just going to kill that play
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Post by wildcat on Dec 9, 2007 22:06:26 GMT -6
They started in the backfield, and motioned to an empty set then Ward went in motion. Ward took the handoff. How do you have your players get to the edge when the jet is handed off at such a flat angle? Do you think it would have worked on a 2nd or 3rd down, my thought was that on 4th and goal at the 1 the slightest penetration is just going to kill that play That's what I was thinking...just felt that it was a very curious play to run for that down and distance. What Pittsburgh typically does in those situations is run Parker on power behind Faneca, give to Davenport up the gut, or boot Roethlisberger. Seemed like Pittsburgh almost went into a "panic" mode when they got down there on the goal line. Probably didn't matter...Brady and the offense were dialed in tonight and weren't going to be stopped...at best, the score COULD have been 31-20 instead of 34-13. |
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Post by wildcat on Dec 9, 2007 22:14:15 GMT -6
At least we didn't have to hear Brent Musberger call it an "end around".  |
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Post by coachjoe3 on Dec 10, 2007 0:23:33 GMT -6
Now, the little I know about the fly comes from the Willamette style (Mark Speckman). A friend let me watch his videos once and I really liked how they do it, very attentive to detail and form. From what I understand, they do a ton of misdirection (a sweep/belly/counter series) and hiding of the ball as it's handed off to the ball carrier. I didn't see this with Pitt. tonight on this play. Just a straight handoff.
I agree with 7523 and wildcat, it was an out-of-left-field play for them and it should've went outside more "away from the trash" (gonna steal that expression from rocketcoach, btw!) It seemed hurried and a little unfamiliar to the Steelers to me.
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Post by Yash on Dec 10, 2007 6:53:12 GMT -6
Its hard to run jet sweep in the NFL when everyone runs a 4.4 Hard to get an edge when the guys are that big and fast.
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Post by newworldman on Dec 10, 2007 9:11:53 GMT -6
Bruce Arians (Steelers OC) stated after the game he was trying to run a hurry up and not let NE defense change out and also said he if he could do it again he would have put the goalline package in.
As well, Hines Ward, for all he is, is not a pound it in running back and the RT Willie Colon (who got schooled all game by Mike Vrabel (remember he wasn't good enough to stay on the Steelers team) basically fell back on to Ward to stop the play.
- poor play call :-(
Should've had Ward and Wilson in twins and motion TE Miller out to them and throw a bubble to Wilson with Ward (best blocking WR in the NFL) and Miller to block for him (Worked earlier in the year). Just my .02 as a Monday morning OC :-)
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Post by ghscoach on Dec 10, 2007 10:01:58 GMT -6
Its hard to run jet sweep in the NFL when everyone runs a 4.4 Hard to get an edge when the guys are that big and fast. My thought exactly not to mention Ward is not known for his blazing speed. |
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Post by coach31 on Dec 10, 2007 11:47:35 GMT -6
I am a HUGE Stiller fan and a wing-t guy. He did not get the ball on the dead run. You must hand off in the playside A gap at full speed. Otherwise I curse alot at the TV and my wife thinks I'm nuts
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Post by tedseay on Dec 10, 2007 12:59:42 GMT -6
Its hard to run jet sweep in the NFL when everyone runs a 4.4 Hard to get an edge when the guys are that big and fast. It's hard to run jet sweep at any level when you treat it as a play and not a series, thereby forgoing any possibility of deception... |
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Post by Yash on Dec 10, 2007 13:03:28 GMT -6
What they should have done is lined up and ran Davenport up the middle. or a toss the parker. Get out the hammer and go right at it or put in the ferrari and try to out run them to the pylon.
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Post by airman on Dec 10, 2007 13:07:58 GMT -6
i thought it was a poor choice of a play. I just showed how much the pats had gotten into the heads of the steelers. they went to a play which is average at best in the nfl instead of running the power 0 which pit is known for.
this is what the pats do. they get you out of your comfort zone.
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Post by newworldman on Dec 10, 2007 13:32:39 GMT -6
i thought it was a poor choice of a play. I just showed how much the pats had gotten into the heads of the steelers. they went to a play which is average at best in the nfl instead of running the power 0 which pit is known for. this is what the pats do. they get you out of your comfort zone. First year head coach/ first year Offensive Coordinator/ and a still young QB. I'm sure none of us has ever out thought ourselves or wanted a play or a series back. Hopefully my beloved Steelers will learn and grow from this (and maybe hit the Free Agent market for a change like the Pats do : Moss, Stallworth,Thomas, etc.) |
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Post by airman on Dec 10, 2007 14:04:29 GMT -6
i doubt the steelers will buy themselves a team. there trade mark has been to develop from with in. better keep their guard then go get moss.
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Post by Yash on Dec 10, 2007 18:30:23 GMT -6
He scores and none of us say a thing  |
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Post by coachjoe3 on Dec 10, 2007 18:33:48 GMT -6
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