coachsmi0901
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Post by coachsmi0901 on Sept 14, 2013 14:37:29 GMT -6
That should be all I have to say, but I will elaborate. We're trying to build some atmosphere in our pre-game to help drive the crowd. So, we started putting in run out music for our team (kids wanted it, AD ok'd it). We were all good until our AD went and talked to our band director. He told our AD that he didn't care what we did, but as soon as we ran out his band was playing the fight song. Then refused to let us play music during dead periods. Although his band doesn't play half the time, and when they do, we're on the 20 yard line of their end of the stadium on offense.
Anyone else have this issue with their band program? Not wanting to be a team player? Has anyone figured out how to get around this obstacle and bring some new elements to their stadium atmosphere?
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Post by 33coach on Sept 14, 2013 17:23:45 GMT -6
That should be all I have to say, but I will elaborate. We're trying to build some atmosphere in our pre-game to help drive the crowd. So, we started putting in run out music for our team (kids wanted it, AD ok'd it). We were all good until our AD went and talked to our band director. He told our AD that he didn't care what we did, but as soon as we ran out his band was playing the fight song. Then refused to let us play music during dead periods. Although his band doesn't play half the time, and when they do, we're on the 20 yard line of their end of the stadium on offense. Anyone else have this issue with their band program? Not wanting to be a team player? Has anyone figured out how to get around this obstacle and bring some new elements to their stadium atmosphere? Band was always super helpful and supportive. There thought was.. Marching season is supporting us and we support them during concert season. (Not sure how true the latter was...but regardless..)
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Post by tgun25 on Sept 15, 2013 0:35:07 GMT -6
Ah bands...our specialty guys and skill guys take the field at 5:45 pm for every home game. We go to take the field for our 2nd game of the season and the mother f-ing marching band is on the field going over their halftime routine! I'm beside myself. Even as we're stretching the band is still doing their routine. Punters, snappers, kickers, returners are trying to warm up as flag girls are twirling flags in their faces. WR are running routes and I forget about throwing them the ball, I'm so pissed I'm aiming for trumpet players!
After about 15 minutes they finally get off the field. The band director tells us that the AD said they could have the field until 6:30 (7 pm kickoff)! Unbelievable! With all the things going in during pre game the last thing I want to deal with is one of my guys getting trampled by a freaking tuba player!
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Post by tgun25 on Sept 15, 2013 0:35:28 GMT -6
Ah bands...our specialty guys and skill guys take the field at 5:45 pm for every home game. We go to take the field for our 2nd game of the season and the mother f-ing marching band is on the field going over their halftime routine! I'm beside myself. Even as we're stretching the band is still doing their routine. Punters, snappers, kickers, returners are trying to warm up as flag girls are twirling flags in their faces. WR are running routes and I forget about throwing them the ball, I'm so pissed I'm aiming for trumpet players!
After about 15 minutes they finally get off the field. The band director tells us that the AD said they could have the field until 6:30 (7 pm kickoff)! Unbelievable! With all the things going in during pre game the last thing I want to deal with is one of my guys getting trampled by a freaking tuba player!
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Post by RedRaider on Sept 15, 2013 12:50:04 GMT -6
Ah bands...our specialty guys and skill guys take the field at 5:45 pm for every home game. We go to take the field for our 2nd game of the season and the mother f-ing marching band is on the field going over their halftime routine! I'm beside myself. Even as we're stretching the band is still doing their routine. Punters, snappers, kickers, returners are trying to warm up as flag girls are twirling flags in their faces. WR are running routes and I forget about throwing them the ball, I'm so {censored} I'm aiming for trumpet players! After about 15 minutes they finally get off the field. The band director tells us that the AD said they could have the field until 6:30 (7 pm kickoff)! Unbelievable! With all the things going in during pre game the last thing I want to deal with is one of my guys getting trampled by a freaking tuba player! Wooooowww!!! AD sounds like an A-Hole. We play music at practice so the kids are used to hype music. Last game the band crew was playing some off music (I don't even know the name or genre) our kids listen to rap, alternative rock and hip hop. I plugged in my iPhone with our playlist and someone turned it off(not an Admin). Our HC walked over and cursed that guy out. Our band is ok but they don't play loud enough to me. (Used to the college atmosphere) I want chaos an all kinda of noise. We run a very fast uptempo spread (snaps every 12-14 seconds from play called dead) so I want the band to keep playing even during our off series. Week 2 we got a flag called on our band I was pi$$ed.
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Post by fantom on Sept 15, 2013 13:27:23 GMT -6
Ah bands...our specialty guys and skill guys take the field at 5:45 pm for every home game. We go to take the field for our 2nd game of the season and the mother f-ing marching band is on the field going over their halftime routine! I'm beside myself. Even as we're stretching the band is still doing their routine. Punters, snappers, kickers, returners are trying to warm up as flag girls are twirling flags in their faces. WR are running routes and I forget about throwing them the ball, I'm so {censored} I'm aiming for trumpet players! After about 15 minutes they finally get off the field. The band director tells us that the AD said they could have the field until 6:30 (7 pm kickoff)! Unbelievable! With all the things going in during pre game the last thing I want to deal with is one of my guys getting trampled by a freaking tuba player! Wooooowww!!! AD sounds like an A-Hole. We play music at practice so the kids are used to hype music. Last game the band crew was playing some off music (I don't even know the name or genre) our kids listen to rap, alternative rock and hip hop. I plugged in my iPhone with our playlist and someone turned it off(not an Admin). Our HC walked over and cursed that guy out. Our band is ok but they don't play loud enough to me. (Used to the college atmosphere) I want chaos an all kinda of noise. We run a very fast uptempo spread (snaps every 12-14 seconds from play called dead) so I want the band to keep playing even during our off series. Week 2 we got a flag called on our band I was pi$$ed. I don't know if it's a national rule but the band isn't allowed to play while the ball is in play. They warn you once then it's a penalty. As for the disputes with the band directors, as aggravating as they can be sometimes you have to decide what battles to fight. Obviously, the situation where the band was on the field is unacceptable but the other ones may just be more trouble than they're worth. You may need that band director to help a kid out with a grade some day.
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Post by rsmith627 on Sept 15, 2013 15:43:00 GMT -6
I don't think it's a national rule. When I coached in high school our band played non-stop, and did not care if we couldn't hear when we were on offense. Peckers.
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Post by newt21 on Sept 15, 2013 15:45:26 GMT -6
I'm at the middle school level, and our band went to play at our feeder school this past Friday night, the problem was that the director took half of my team (because they're in the band) over there immediately after school (3 hours before kickoff), so they all missed practice. I didn't even have a QB to practice with on Friday because of this. I get that they needed to be there early, but let me have them for a little bit for a chalk talk at least!
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coachsmi0901
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Post by coachsmi0901 on Sept 15, 2013 17:02:54 GMT -6
My thing is, they complain that football gets everything and we don't help them out, even though their band booster club is the one collecting money from the concessions AND they get to run ruts in our grass all year long, but don't want to help mow. At all.
In my opinion, they should just be glad they get to take up space in our stands. They don't even go to all our games. The day they show up to all our games, don't gripe that we made the playoffs which requires them to yet another game, and won't run ruts into our field, then they can play anything they ever want.
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Post by bgj on Sept 15, 2013 18:34:48 GMT -6
I don't know if it's a national rule but the band isn't allowed to play while the ball is in play. They warn you once then it's a penalty. I believe once the whistle blows to put the ball in play, the band and music must stop. Can't cite the rule though. Had this problem away week 1. The home team was trying to play music up until the snap, trying to drown out our QB giving the play to the line (we are no huddle). Refs stoppped it.
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Post by RedRaider on Sept 15, 2013 19:37:35 GMT -6
I don't know if it's a national rule but the band isn't allowed to play while the ball is in play. They warn you once then it's a penalty. I believe once the whistle blows to put the ball in play, the band and music must stop. Can't cite the rule though. Had this problem away week 1. The home team was trying to play music up until the snap, trying to drown out our QB giving the play to the line (we are no huddle). Refs stoppped it. week 2 we got flagged for it and we were on off at home.
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Post by John Knight on Sept 16, 2013 4:57:19 GMT -6
forum.officiating.com/football/93237-ncaa-rules-regarding-bands-playing-during-play.htmlTexas and Mass play by NCAA rules, most state associations have rules regarding bands as well. OHSAA Handbook says this: 12. Bands A. It shall be the responsibility of the host school’s Athletic Director to notify the visiting school’s Athletic Director whether the visiting school’s band will be permitted at its homecoming. B. The half-time intermission shall be limited to 20-minutes. The clock will start immediately when both teams and the game officials clear the field. At the conclusion of 20-minutes, a three-minute warm-up period is required for both teams and will be timed on the game clock. C. If the bands of both competing schools are to perform at half-time, no more than 9- minutes shall be allotted to the host schools band for its performance and no more than 9- minutes shall be allotted for the visiting schools band performance. D. A full band is not permitted to play through amplified microphones during the football game. E. Bands shall assemble and stay outside the field of play and end zone until the first half has been completed before coming onto these areas. The same shall be repeated at the end of the game. F. The home team’s band shall not be seated behind the visiting team’s restraining area which is commonly referred to as the 25 to 25 yard lines. G. Bands shall not play music at football games while the ball is in play, or while signals are being called by the quarterback. This means that it is not permissible to use either: 1. Drum roll or beat 2. Cymbals clashing 3. Horn sounds, or 4. Any other kind of musical instrument while the play is underway in football. H. Roving bands shall be allowed to participate at the discretion of the host Athletic Director. However, such bands shall not perform while the ball is in play or while signals are being called by the quarterback. Also, the roving band shall not perform behind the visiting team’s bench area. If a roving band is found in violation of this agreement, that band shall be suspended from roving the remainder of that season at any football games.
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coachsmi0901
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Post by coachsmi0901 on Sept 16, 2013 7:08:40 GMT -6
Is there a NFHS rule written specifically towards audio music (not band) played after kickoff? There was some debate in our office about whether it was legal in dead periods or not. I'm in the opinion that it should be considered like band music and therefore can be treated as such.
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Post by CoachCP on Sept 16, 2013 7:24:05 GMT -6
Yeah... I'll never forget our band during my playing days.
We were on our own 5 yard line. I'm playing tackle.
First of all, I couldn't hear the call in the huddle, with the QB 3 feet away from me because they were still playing. Then I couldn't hear the snap count because they were still playing.
I was furious. Then, when I get off the ball slow because I had to watch for movement, I got ripped by our head coach.
I've never trusted bands since that point in time. Luckily, I told our head coach in film the next day, and that put an end to the band being in our own flipping end zone before half time.
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Post by John Knight on Sept 16, 2013 8:40:51 GMT -6
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Post by 33coach on Sept 16, 2013 9:18:16 GMT -6
i like the skirts..... ;-) lol
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coachsmi0901
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Post by coachsmi0901 on Sept 16, 2013 15:40:43 GMT -6
Anyone who thinks the band is most important...try buying a hot dog at halftime. I have a question...seriously...I noticed this friday night. The opposing team's band had a banner that read "The Pride of XXXXXXXXXXX" (high school's name). How in the fuq is ANY band the PRIDE of any school? Is that even possible? Who came up with that? I mean I've been around for a day or 2 and I'm yet to see ANYONE pick up a newspaper on saturday morning to see the band results. Don't even get me started...Tell your band director that DCohio said "phuk you, we are playing AC/DC and we play it louder than you guys can blow...which will be really loud, because you really blow." This.
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Post by coachbdud on Sept 16, 2013 16:09:27 GMT -6
I hate bands
I asked last year very politely if they could refrain from playing when we were on offense Just to help make our communication to the kids a little easier
I asked as nicely as humanly possible
He tells the AD I verbally assaulted him and yelled at him
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coachsmi0901
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Post by coachsmi0901 on Sept 16, 2013 17:25:59 GMT -6
I hate bands I asked last year very politely if they could refrain from playing when we were on offense Just to help make our communication to the kids a little easier I asked as nicely as humanly possible He tells the AD I verbally assaulted him and yelled at him Band directors are literally worse than 5th graders. They want everything given to them, but do no work. They complain about having to go to football games. They complain about having to show up on a Saturday to something related to work. They make it seem like it's an inconvenience to wait for their students' parents to pick them up after a game. They seriously have NO idea what it's like to actually have a program let alone run a program. Never have they had to decide how they're going to pay for reconditioning their helmets when they didn't make any money in the season. They don't understand what it's like practicing for 3 hours, then having to go mow the game field then paint it for the game. They haven't ever had to drive halfway across town to take a kid home because their parents are working two jobs and couldn't even come see their child come play. Then they want to complain that their kids don't get to play their flutes exactly 20 times in the game. Then they get defensive that we want to do something to help get some atmosphere going at OUR games. When they pull 80 hour/7 days a week work weeks for 20 weeks straight, then they can complain about how "hard" their job is on a friday night.
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Post by utchuckd on Sept 16, 2013 21:02:36 GMT -6
Our band director is great. I go to church with him and he has always been open to anything we've needed or suggested. He told me one time when they go to competition he not only has to keep the boys from sneaking into the rooms of the girls they're dating, he also has to keep track of which boys can't room together because they're dating, or at least of that persuasion.
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Post by fantom on Sept 16, 2013 21:23:36 GMT -6
I hate bands I asked last year very politely if they could refrain from playing when we were on offense Just to help make our communication to the kids a little easier I asked as nicely as humanly possible He tells the AD I verbally assaulted him and yelled at him Band directors are literally worse than 5th graders. They want everything given to them, but do no work. They complain about having to go to football games. They complain about having to show up on a Saturday to something related to work. They make it seem like it's an inconvenience to wait for their students' parents to pick them up after a game. They seriously have NO idea what it's like to actually have a program let alone run a program. Never have they had to decide how they're going to pay for reconditioning their helmets when they didn't make any money in the season. They don't understand what it's like practicing for 3 hours, then having to go mow the game field then paint it for the game. They haven't ever had to drive halfway across town to take a kid home because their parents are working two jobs and couldn't even come see their child come play. Then they want to complain that their kids don't get to play their flutes exactly 20 times in the game. Then they get defensive that we want to do something to help get some atmosphere going at OUR games. When they pull 80 hour/7 days a week work weeks for 20 weeks straight, then they can complain about how "hard" their job is on a friday night. Let's not make blanket statements. I've worked with some very good, hard-working band directors.
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Post by coachbdud on Sept 16, 2013 22:54:34 GMT -6
it's not band directors I hate
It's the bands, I do not like the noise, i just find it annoying
our band was practicing today while at practice... typical monday walk thru of the opponent for us, but it made it hard for kids to hear instruction as the band played while going around the track... nothing against the band director or kids personally ( i have/had a number of them in class in the past) I just find the music to be annoying
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Post by silkyice on Sept 17, 2013 5:54:01 GMT -6
I have had some good band directors in the past. Hard working and cared about the football program and supported it. They also ran tough practices and didn't take any crap from the kids. They knew football was the "show" but wanted respect for their program and kids and they deserved it.
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 17, 2013 10:09:43 GMT -6
Beaters and Blowers, gotta love 'em
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Post by tigercoach11 on Sept 17, 2013 12:01:56 GMT -6
Our band is HORRIBLE....Out of respect for our country I make it through the national anthem without laughing but sometimes its very difficult. The band director did however schedule the band to march in a parade the same day as an away football game. Had 3 freshmen that wanted to go since they "werent playing anyways". I told them to go ahead but not to expect much in terms of JV etc... funny thing is our young guys went in the 4th qtr and even scored a TD on their first team D (Varsity got em in the 20 to help them a little)...anyways I dont fight that battle if a young man really wants to chose band over football then he's prob not the young man I want playing for me.
I have had similar issues at other schools with a$$hole band directors but I have also had some that were great and very cooperative. I think my current one is too embarrassed to be either during our games now.
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coachsmi0901
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Post by coachsmi0901 on Sept 17, 2013 17:31:38 GMT -6
Band directors are literally worse than 5th graders. They want everything given to them, but do no work. They complain about having to go to football games. They complain about having to show up on a Saturday to something related to work. They make it seem like it's an inconvenience to wait for their students' parents to pick them up after a game. They seriously have NO idea what it's like to actually have a program let alone run a program. Never have they had to decide how they're going to pay for reconditioning their helmets when they didn't make any money in the season. They don't understand what it's like practicing for 3 hours, then having to go mow the game field then paint it for the game. They haven't ever had to drive halfway across town to take a kid home because their parents are working two jobs and couldn't even come see their child come play. Then they want to complain that their kids don't get to play their flutes exactly 20 times in the game. Then they get defensive that we want to do something to help get some atmosphere going at OUR games. When they pull 80 hour/7 days a week work weeks for 20 weeks straight, then they can complain about how "hard" their job is on a friday night. Let's not make blanket statements. I've worked with some very good, hard-working band directors. I will apologize. I agree that it shouldn't be a blanket statement. Got caught up in the frustration we struggle with from our program. For you guys that have great, supportive band programs that do work diligently and really do care about the kids, then I apologize for letting my band program speak for yours as well. For everyone else, I'm just glad I'm not alone in the fight. Got a game an hour away Friday, guess who won't be there?
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Post by veerman on Sept 17, 2013 20:43:42 GMT -6
Don't mind our band director, she made me a steak before our game, she said she knew how much time we put in and knew I did not eat much and when I do it's not healthy, so she made me a big streak to eat....... and No she is not my wife, just a good band director lol
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Post by flingt on Sept 21, 2013 19:03:48 GMT -6
My previous school the band was brainwashed to think they worked harder than the football team.. I had a band member as a student who said in front the class, "hey coach, Being in the band is harder than play football ".
"Really", I say, "when was the last time you saw defense at band competition?" I went on..."band", I say, "is like golf, you all play the same music and whichever one screws up less, wins".
Yeah, that shut the little triangle player up.
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 23, 2013 15:21:44 GMT -6
My previous school the band was brainwashed to think they worked harder than the football team.. I had a band member as a student who said in front the class, "hey coach, Being in the band is harder than play football ". "Really", I say, "when was the last time you saw defense at band competition?" I went on..."band", I say, "is like golf, you all play the same music and whichever one screws up less, wins". Yeah, that shut the little triangle player up. Too good, Coach. Too good. Bands can be a major positive for programs that work together. Our band director is awesome. He's supportive and shows up to every game. Our school is stupid and makes band class an elective immediately following school. We don't have lights, so football practice is also immediately following school. He lets our wing back play football and get an A in band if he practices in the morning before school and has 100% attendance at our football practices. That's a band director that gets it. It's not about you, it's about the kid!
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Post by bcurrier on Sept 30, 2013 15:19:20 GMT -6
My favorite band story...Early in my coaching career, I was on a scouting assignment in a smaller rural town in the Willamette Valley. The home team's band was baaaaad. During a break during the first half (maybe at the change of the quarter), they absolutely butchered the song "New York, New York." One of my colleagues scouting with me leaned over and said, "If the city of New York heard that, they'd change their name!" Left me rolling in the aisle.
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