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Post by vassdiddy on Dec 27, 2007 21:33:46 GMT -6
This is from College Football Talk:
Jones runs an innovative and exciting -- but not gimmicky -- version of the spread offense that Central Michigan used to stage a furious second-half comeback. It's an offense that allowed quarterback Dan LeFevour to become the second player in Division I-A history to pass for 3,000 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in a season. (Vince Young was the first.)
I have not seen Butch Jones and was wondering what was different than most "gimmicky" spread offenses. I know this is a rumor site with not the most trained eye, but I was wondering what CMU does?
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Post by dacoachmo on Dec 27, 2007 22:13:15 GMT -6
you may be able to see rerun of the game on LATE NIGHT ESPN @ 2:00 am
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Post by coachjd on Dec 28, 2007 7:19:37 GMT -6
its almost the same offense as West Virginia, but the QB is a very good thrower as well as runner.
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Post by coachgreen05 on Dec 29, 2007 5:59:06 GMT -6
This is from College Football Talk: Jones runs an innovative and exciting -- but not gimmicky -- version of the spread offense that Central Michigan used to stage a furious second-half comeback. It's an offense that allowed quarterback Dan LeFevour to become the second player in Division I-A history to pass for 3,000 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in a season. (Vince Young was the first.)I have not seen Butch Jones and was wondering what was different than most "gimmicky" spread offenses. I know this is a rumor site with not the most trained eye, but I was wondering what CMU does? Nothing different,same as the rest of those gimmick offenses. 0 national championships (unless u count Texas ,they could have ran anything with V Young) Florida won their with D,offense was terrible last year. |
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Post by coachnichols on Dec 29, 2007 9:00:44 GMT -6
I'm assuming you're kidding with gimmick comment, so I must say that's a good one!! Ha ha!!!! ;D
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Post by coachcb on Dec 29, 2007 9:19:58 GMT -6
This is from College Football Talk: Jones runs an innovative and exciting -- but not gimmicky -- version of the spread offense that Central Michigan used to stage a furious second-half comeback. It's an offense that allowed quarterback Dan LeFevour to become the second player in Division I-A history to pass for 3,000 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in a season. (Vince Young was the first.)I have not seen Butch Jones and was wondering what was different than most "gimmicky" spread offenses. I know this is a rumor site with not the most trained eye, but I was wondering what CMU does? Nothing different,same as the rest of those gimmick offenses.0 national championships (unless u count Texas ,they could have ran anything with V Young) Florida won their with D,offense was terrible last year. So, option philosophy is now a "gimmick"? West Coast passing progression is a "gimmick"? |
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Post by chadp56 on Dec 29, 2007 10:14:53 GMT -6
Interesting comments. I can't believe that someone would call the spread a gimmick. coachgreen05 wants to say that the spread has produced 0 national championships!!! He wants to disregard Florida (how was it all D? What about the Leak/Tebo rotation and 42 points on Ohio State?), and Texas because Vince Young would have won in any system (would have won it in a West Coast system? No Way!). I guess he also wants to forget about Oklahoma's national championship too since he didn't mention it.
One important point is that there are different versions of the spread as Coach Rodriguez pointed out in his press conference. Hawaii's version is way, way different then West Virginia's version. I was at the Motor City Bowl and have seen WV on TV of course. It seems that WV is much more option oriented. You see more sets with a running back each side of the QB, Central ran very few of these sets and very Little option. It seemed that Central stuck more to the Brian Kelly style spread (who built that program) with the QB throwing more than running, with some exceptions. I think the 1,000 yards LeFevere had was a bit deceptive. More were scrambles and draws then options. They did run more QB zone type runs this year though. LeFevere is a very good QB, don't get me wrong, but Pat White would have had about 2,000 yards rushing in the MAC. LeFevere is probably a better passer.
I'm not sold on Jones yet. Kelly had that program set, and Rodriguez has WV set. Kelly and Rodriguez have shown the ability to come in and build programs. Jones so far is kind of like a relief pitcher who has come in to close out a game with his team up 9-1, pretty hard to screw that up. I'm not saying he is not a good coach, but we haven't seen enough yet to compare him with the other spread gurus.
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Post by vassdiddy on Dec 29, 2007 12:54:48 GMT -6
Chad, I think coachgreen was only kidding
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Post by chadp56 on Dec 29, 2007 18:19:53 GMT -6
Geez, I hope so since it seemed so off base.
I think the discussion of the different versions of the spread is an interesting topic. You can almost make a statement that there are two major types of offenses, under center and direct snap. Then it branches off from there with probably an equal number of unique offenses off from each. So it might be a mistake to hire a "spread coach" just because he is a spread coach. What type of plays does he run from it. Is it a pass heavy version with choice routes, is it a option oriented scheme, is it a zone blocking run scheme, is it a man blocking run scheme, etc. etc.
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