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Post by airraider on Mar 6, 2008 20:43:37 GMT -6
I know several of us make things we use as apposed to buying them. The school I just left had the shop class build them some squat racks.
When thinking of building and using such items.. do you feel the liability would make you think twice?
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Post by coache67 on Mar 6, 2008 23:11:19 GMT -6
No - if it is built in a shop with a teacher present, it shouldn't be a liability. I could be wrong, but doesn't the teacher do most of the work on those kind of projects?
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Post by airraider on Mar 7, 2008 5:31:24 GMT -6
No - if it is built in a shop with a teacher present, it shouldn't be a liability. I could be wrong, but doesn't the teacher do most of the work on those kind of projects? My question was more towards if 2 years from now the weld breaks on the bench and a child is hurt while lifting.. it could be bad.. if the bench was built by a company who will stand by their product, then the liability will be off the school and coach. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 7, 2008 5:55:04 GMT -6
consult your districts legal office rather than the Huey community on this one.
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Post by gschwender on Mar 7, 2008 6:00:53 GMT -6
We have squat racks our vo ag kids built that are as old as I am and never had any problem with them. But in this day and age 9 times out of 10 I'm willing to bet they would be a liability.
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Post by htownoc on Mar 7, 2008 12:47:40 GMT -6
We have had homemade benchs, squat racks, inclines, etc. for 30+yrs. Liability has been the reason our administration is supporting a big renovation and upgrade. Hammer Strength all the way now.
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Post by fatkicker on Mar 7, 2008 13:44:31 GMT -6
little league coaches are getting sued when kids break their ankles sliding......claiming the coaches never taught them how to slide....
if things like that can happen, you can bet a family would "foam at the mouth" at a chance to sue the school over faulty homemade equipment.....
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Post by coachjd on Mar 7, 2008 18:13:07 GMT -6
When I first came to my current school 7 years ago they had 2 home made squat racks. One of the first things our admin had me do is replace them. They told me that the school, the coach running the weightroom, and the shop teacher would all be held liable if someone got hurt using the squat racks. When I made our platforms our AD called our schools lawyer and we were given the ok, not sure exactly why.
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Post by coache67 on Mar 7, 2008 19:03:34 GMT -6
Does your shop make "other" items for sale? Adirondack chairs, shelving, steel shop carts, picnic tables for profit or raffle purposes?
What is the difference in liability for those items?
As I said before, when you, admin or custodial staff asks the "school shop" to make something, the teacher, who usually has "real world shop" experience does most, if not all of the work.
Have you ever had a kid whose dad owned a steel shop who has never made weight equipment before make squat racks, benches and incline benches? I have seen that and the school gladly accepted those items.
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Post by coache67 on Mar 7, 2008 19:04:58 GMT -6
Just to be clear, I'm not sure what kind of homemade squat racks you guys are talking about, but I am talking about real steel with real welds with real bolts fastened to real vinyl covered benches.
Maybe I am just way off base . . .
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Post by schultbear74 on Mar 7, 2008 21:50:14 GMT -6
The best way to go is to buy stuff from a vendor. You are in a much better place legally speaking when you do. One school corp that I worked for insisted on it. The one for whom I am working at present let us buy the steel and make the racks. I told them that the best way to go was to buy the stuff, but they gave the go ahead and it is their lower posterior now- not mine.
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Post by brophy on Mar 7, 2008 22:02:34 GMT -6
What would you do if your blocking sled was made out of scrapped parts consisting of an old '78 Monte Carlo hood and a truss support of a '79 F-150 suspension?
....and you have NO MONEY to buy anything to substitute it.
that is what airraider is referring to.
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Post by schultbear74 on Mar 7, 2008 22:11:07 GMT -6
Sounds like my old high school. Our blocking sled was made out of Railroad ties and autoparts. The blaster was made out of snow tires and 4 by 4's. They could sue you all they wanted, but they wouldn't get much.
I know exactly what air raider is refering to.
Thirty years in the business- I've made due with a lot of homemade stuff. I guess I've been spoiled of late.
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Post by airraider on Mar 7, 2008 22:31:44 GMT -6
What would you do if your blocking sled was made out of scrapped parts consisting of an old '78 Monte Carlo hood and a truss support of a '79 F-150 suspension? ....and you have NO MONEY to buy anything to substitute it. that is what airraider is referring to. Haha.. that will be the first thing I do on Monday morning.. is take a picture for everyone of our 2 man sled which is mounted on an old car hood.. |
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Post by airraider on Mar 7, 2008 22:32:14 GMT -6
What would you do if your blocking sled was made out of scrapped parts consisting of an old '78 Monte Carlo hood and a truss support of a '79 F-150 suspension? ....and you have NO MONEY to buy anything to substitute it. that is what airraider is referring to. Haha.. that will be the first thing I do on Monday morning.. is take a picture for everyone of our 2 man sled which is mounted on an old car hood.. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 8, 2008 11:52:16 GMT -6
What would you do if your blocking sled was made out of scrapped parts consisting of an old '78 Monte Carlo hood and a truss support of a '79 F-150 suspension? ....and you have NO MONEY to buy anything to substitute it. that is what airraider is referring to. Honestly...you don't use it. Not if you are worried about legal issues. Actually, the very fact that the question was posed here would be handing a plaintiff a golden case. Plaintiff's attorney-- "coach airraider, did you ever consider the idea to be potentially risky, and as such asked others for advice on the matter" Airraider--"yes" Plaintiff's Attorney--" so you considered the idea potentially risky, and yet still went through with it. " Airraider "yes" Plaintiff's attorney "Your honor, since the 'we didn't have any money to buy safe equipment so we undertook something we knew to be potentially risky' defense isn't recognized in our courts, we rest our case" |
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Post by brophy on Mar 8, 2008 13:31:29 GMT -6
.....but what about home-made chutes from PVC pipe?
....what about steel Olympic platforms made by the shop department?
...what about steel bench stations crafted by the shop department?
I am assuming the S&C stuff inside the building, if purchased or chartered, would fall under the athletic department responsibility of insuring.
The liability of football equipment would only cover that which is introduced as a capital asset of the program, right?
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 8, 2008 13:56:31 GMT -6
.....but what about home-made chutes from PVC pipe? ....what about steel Olympic platforms made by the shop department? ...what about steel bench stations crafted by the shop department? I am assuming the S&C stuff inside the building, if purchased or chartered, would fall under the athletic department responsibility of insuring. The liability of football equipment would only cover that which is introduced as a capital asset of the program, right? Again--thats why I said to consult his districts general counsel rather than the Huey community. In the scenario you proposed, you emphasized two things...1, that the the equipment being used was not designed and built for the purpose it was intended....and 2, the reason for using this equipment was due to a lack of funds. I am simply saying that the "we dont have any money or anything else" argument holds absolutely no water. If a reasonable person could conclude that using something "rigged up" could be dangerous (and remember, since we are talking liability, we know something has already "happened") then it is probably in the best interest of the coach NOT to use it. |
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Post by brophy on Mar 10, 2008 16:59:01 GMT -6
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