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Post by ststeve on Oct 19, 2005 20:10:01 GMT -6
guys, great site huey, tog and others. I know this isn't the best time of year for this question, but I want your opinions about when it is time for a head coach to move on. i have been at this school for a fewyears and our record is terrible, but the more important thing is that i feel like we have lost ground this past year in terms of #'s, off season attendance. the school has no tradition in terms of football, an I feel like I started some, but without producing wins, the numbers have begun to suffer. (We dressed 18 last week.) This year has been terrible having had only 1 out of 7 games with our opponents scoring less than 30 points. the kids attitudes about themselves are continuing to get worse. Anyway, it's been a long row to hoe, this year as in the past 4. When is it time to say "you got me," cut my losses and move down to a position coach etc. I'm VERY young, so I've plenty of time to move back up the ladder. Any thoughts are appreciated. Of course on the other hand, why not work my butt off until I'm canned, right?  |
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Post by tog on Oct 19, 2005 20:12:42 GMT -6
I would never say you got me
i would just realize the situation
and get the hell out of there
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Post by ststeve on Oct 19, 2005 20:13:51 GMT -6
yeah you got me isn't what i wanted to say, but it is definately about cutting your losses and moving on.
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Post by tog on Oct 19, 2005 20:15:21 GMT -6
learn from mistakes
learn from situations
it's life man
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Post by tog on Oct 19, 2005 20:29:40 GMT -6
what state are you in?
what kind of school is this?
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Post by ststeve on Oct 19, 2005 20:54:42 GMT -6
small independent school in GA
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Post by ststeve on Oct 19, 2005 21:05:14 GMT -6
yeah, there are a lot of lessons to be learned here. particularly this. If you want to change the whole school's attitude toward football, or athletics really, you can take nothing but immediate and full support from everyone involved, but you also need to be prepared for the parents and students to resist, for a variety of reasons. some of those are going to be quite ligitimate. basically, if you think you know what it takes to turn things around. do not compromise. whether you are right or wrong, you can have no doubts in your own mind.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 28, 2005 10:11:28 GMT -6
coach, shoot me an email and ill see if i can offer you some suggestions, you might not want to leave, the kids will think you quit on them...id kill to have a job and youre gonna walk out?...i have off season ideas and maybe even an offense that you can use to move the ball with just 18 kids. coachcalande@comcast.net
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Post by groundchuck on Oct 28, 2005 21:10:42 GMT -6
Sounds like you and I made the same mistake. I took a job a few years ago taking over a bad program. For a few years things improved but to be honest no one ever bought in to my philosophy that you have to work hard to win. I will be cutting my losses and getting the heck out of dodge. You have to look at as a learning experience. Next time I take a head coaching job I know what to look for and what to ask about. Everyone has to have that "crap job" to appreciate the good ones and learn. Like it was said in order to make a change there has to be immediate and full support or else it just will not get done. NExt time I know what to look for.
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Post by tog on Oct 28, 2005 22:23:13 GMT -6
best of luck to you groundchuck
a good coach in a bad situation
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Post by ststeve on Oct 29, 2005 10:08:09 GMT -6
My third year we had a change in admin that was much more supportive to athletics and football specifically, but that hasn't transfered to the kids. (except in our basketball program.) the dilema (sp?) I am having is that while I feel like it would be best for me professionally to get out. It's hard for me to see it that anything else than quitting. You can justify it 'til your blue in the face, but it's still quitting. That's the moral situation I'm in.
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Post by tog on Oct 29, 2005 10:24:53 GMT -6
you got to know when to hold em know when to fold em know when to walk away know when to run  |
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Post by ogie4 on Nov 1, 2005 15:22:35 GMT -6
My third year we had a change in admin that was much more supportive to athletics and football specifically, but that hasn't transfered to the kids. (except in our basketball program.) the dilema (sp?) I am having is that while I feel like it would be best for me professionally to get out. It's hard for me to see it that anything else than quitting. You can justify it 'til your blue in the face, but it's still quitting. That's the moral situation I'm in. Your not an athlete who made a commitment to the program voluntarily. This is your profession, it is a job and what feeds your family. Make your choice based on that, not from an athletes point of view. |
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Post by los on Nov 1, 2005 20:39:53 GMT -6
ststeve, how do you like the area in general? Is it a good place to live for you and your family? I'm from southwest georgia (the middle of nowhere) and am a parttime football coach at a small private school also. We've also had a pretty pitiful record the past 3 (2) varsity seasons. These kids never played football before(not even sandlot I think) but the challenge of teaching the game to guys that are eager to learn, support each other and try as hard as their semi-athletic bodies will let them, keeps me coming back after every 60 to 12 thrashing. I've never been beat up so bad before in my football life but I've learned more about whats really important to me and the kids i help coach. See ya next season!!
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Post by 53defense on Nov 2, 2005 16:04:06 GMT -6
It is a tough situation to leave but some times you have to. I came to the realization that people (especially administration) were not buying into my scheme. Once I came to that realization, I packed my bags and moved on. I was able to get an assistant job at a school with a pretty solid football tradition. Since I have moved on, life has been pretty good. The lesson that I learned out of this is that a solid football program takes support from the admistration and the community. If one of these componets is missing, you are probably not going to have much success no matter how much blood, sweat, and tears you pour into the program.
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Post by carson101 on Nov 8, 2005 14:21:59 GMT -6
I would look at it as, do the best you can with what you got. If that don't work and there is no support for the program then by all means get out. If the kids you have really want to go the distance then that will tell you if its worth it. Email me I have some stuff that might help with your coaching struggle.
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