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Post by w22shadow on Dec 7, 2007 21:27:31 GMT -6
I have been interested in implementing a Spread offense that primarily utilizes the Pistol formation. I have browsed the many ideas on the concept and have tried to bring together all the formations that I have found. I drew up them up as best I could using the Paint program. I made a few guesses while making the formations. The depth of the quarterback in most of the playbooks and articles concerning the Pistol formation I have read seemed to be around 4 yards and I have drawn him there. I stacked the fullbacks behind the guards at the same depth as the quarterback, which I hope will allow them to both come in front of and behind the quarterback easily. I envision the tailback being at about seven yards deep and I would like the linemen to have 2½ to 3 foot splits. Does anyone foresee any problems in trying to apply the basic concepts found in the Spread and Spread Option system to these formations? Can anyone give insight into their experience with running the Spread offense from the Pistol? The following is a link to the formations: www.putfile.com/w22shadow/images/164457Please give me your opinions.  |
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Post by tog on Dec 7, 2007 21:43:23 GMT -6
What are you planning on running?
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Post by w22shadow on Dec 7, 2007 21:54:19 GMT -6
What are you planning on running? I would like to be able to run the speed option, midline option, triple option, inside zone, outside zone, and the jet sweep. I imagine I may be trying to bite off more than I can chew though. Which concepts would you recommend? |
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Post by tog on Dec 7, 2007 22:02:02 GMT -6
how do you define speed option?
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Post by w22shadow on Dec 7, 2007 23:35:45 GMT -6
how do you define speed option? The quarterback secures the snap and reads the unblocked play-side E.M.L.O.S. and decides whether to keep the ball or lateral it to a predetermined back. An example of a play call might be "Diamond Right Z Option Right":  I believe both the H-back and the A-back could be substituted as the pitch-back in this play, although when using the H-back it may be necessary to have the quarterback fake a pitch to the A-back and reverse out to give the H-back time to develop the pitch relationship. A play like that might be called "Diamond Right Fake A Toss Left H Option Right":  I would rather use numbers to designate the backs in my final system though.  |
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 7, 2007 23:43:08 GMT -6
You can't run a true "mid line" from the gun. I run a read/triple where the "dive back" goes over the center but the blocking is totally different. QB reads the End Man on the LOS.
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Post by tog on Dec 7, 2007 23:59:20 GMT -6
you can run midline from the gun
many people do it
ww, this is how we define speed option as well
from a two back look, we have the psrb block the edge
and the backside back become pitch
just to get extra numbers
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Post by sls on Dec 8, 2007 9:02:25 GMT -6
You can't run a true "mid line" from the gun. I run a read/triple where the "dive back" goes over the center but the blocking is totally different. QB reads the End Man on the LOS. 2 years ago I ran Midline from gun quite a bit. |
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Post by sls on Dec 8, 2007 9:04:14 GMT -6
how do you define speed option? The quarterback secures the snap and reads the unblocked play-side E.M.L.O.S. and decides whether to keep the ball or lateral it to a predetermined back. An example of a play call might be "Diamond Right Z Option Right": I believe both the H-back and the A-back could be substituted as the pitch-back in this play, although when using the H-back it may be necessary to have the quarterback fake a pitch to the A-back and reverse out to give the H-back time to develop the pitch relationship. A play like that might be called "Diamond Right Fake A Toss Left H Option Right": I would rather use numbers to designate the backs in my final system though. We ran this formation as a short yardage look, Zone on me, Stretch on Me, Counter, FB Zone, on me. |
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Post by w22shadow on Dec 8, 2007 11:53:01 GMT -6
ww, this is how we define speed option as well from a two back look, we have the psrb block the edge and the backside back become pitch I have heard that called a lead option. I have a few questions. Does the backside back need to take a bucket step before going horizontal to avoid running into the quarterback? Do you teach the playside back to block the E.M.L.O.S. and have the first threat become the pitch key? I have seen cornerbacks " jump the pitch" before. Do you teach the quarterback to not pitch after going a certain distance beyond the L.O.S. because of this? |
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 8, 2007 11:56:08 GMT -6
Just curious how you can run a true mid-line from the gun? If you leave the DT unblocked like you do in a true midline how does he not make the play? It's not like under center where it's a quick hitter and the FB is already by the DT.
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Post by sls on Dec 8, 2007 12:04:58 GMT -6
Just curious how you can run a true mid-line from the gun? If you leave the DT unblocked like you do in a true midline how does he not make the play? It's not like under center where it's a quick hitter and the FB is already by the DT. this link contains many links to many of our previous gun midline conversations. there are even some gun midline cutups of mine. coachhuey.proboards42.com/index.cgi?board=run&action=display&thread=1174925520 |
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Post by w22shadow on Dec 8, 2007 12:22:29 GMT -6
I have been messing around in Paint with some plays that involve motion. This play sends the FL/Z in an orbit motion to lead the tailback through the 5-hole. The fullback will kick out the playside E.M.L.O.S. and the linemen will downblock, while the quarterback will carry out a waggle fake:  This play might be called "Weak Right FL Orbit TB Power Left." The following is a passing play that might be called "Weak Right TB Motion Left Vertical Switch":  |
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Post by tog on Dec 8, 2007 12:30:39 GMT -6
ww, this is how we define speed option as well from a two back look, we have the psrb block the edge and the backside back become pitch I have heard that called a lead option. I have a few questions. Does the backside back need to take a bucket step before going horizontal to avoid running into the quarterback? Do you teach the playside back to block the E.M.L.O.S. and have the first threat become the pitch key? I have seen cornerbacks " jump the pitch" before. Do you teach the quarterback to not pitch after going a certain distance beyond the L.O.S. because of this? it is a lead option we just don't have special names for it when in two back, we always try and get an extra guy run the hump? not too hard we just set up a cone no bucket step haul ass right now |
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 8, 2007 12:33:32 GMT -6
To make the play call shorter you should give the backs a number and use hole numbers
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Post by tog on Dec 8, 2007 12:59:34 GMT -6
can't get much shorter than
10
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Post by smurfturf on Dec 9, 2007 17:16:02 GMT -6
We have run the Spread Option out of the Pistol set. We were 100% out of pistol this season. I call it the Potomac offense. Pistol Option To Optimize Matchups and Coverages.
I will share the playbook if you are interested...PM me.
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Post by morris on Dec 9, 2007 20:54:36 GMT -6
I am sure you have thought about it but I would suggest Load tags or call for the option also. Now you shoudl not have any problem with the backside set back being a pitch back because your Q should be going downhill. With that front side set back being able to block the alley or load.
Now I might be completely wrong but I would think with speed/lead tags yuo could cause a number of problems because you are changing who you are pitching off of. On time it is DE, then OLB, then corner. Makes the D think and puts them in coverage run support conflict.
I woud also think out of a set liek that you shoudl look at buck type actions or even single wing backfield action. You can cause a few problems with things like cross keying and the such.
If I am wrong on this stuff someone please tell me because we are going to a similar way of thinking this next year.
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Post by stud17 on Dec 9, 2007 22:16:36 GMT -6
Load Option - Block DE and Option who?
Speed Option - Option DE?
Lead Option - Lead Block CB and Option DE?
These correct?
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Post by morris on Dec 10, 2007 7:10:49 GMT -6
Load is where you block the normal key. It is common is option offense. The term gets thrown around a little (more than likely this includes me) but this how we call it.
Speed ( some peopel call the speed optio lead):option EMLOS often the DE
Speed Load: Block EMLOS option off of OLB/SS
Speed Load change up: Block EMLOS, OLB/SS and option off of the corner
On our level (MS and I sure it hold true at least to some degree at the HS) yo ucan start running speed. Coahc tells DE you have Q and OLB/SS has pitch. Then you load the end and not block the OLB/SS. Now he might fly to the pitch back because thats what coach told him to do, he might freeze or he could come for the Q. For the offense it is not different other than the person. Then you block him and the DE and option off the corner. I hope this is clear but all you are doing is changing who you are optioning off of. The defense has to keep chaning assignments (as long as you can block them) and have to think. This is not even going into showing option and then throwing the ball off of run action.
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