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Post by spread22 on Jan 1, 2008 22:47:05 GMT -6
I think something that hurts Florida a lot, especially in 2 minute situations is that they seem to always be in 5 wide in obvious passing situations. Michigan could bring 5 and Tebow couldn't really go to a hot or sight adjust because of either down/distance or the clock. They did score a TD when Michigan was in a Cov 0 look and Tebow called in a WR to protect. I love Florida's offense but how about some check-release concepts on 3rd and long?
Florida's coaches do a great job despite the silly rant above about choking. That said, Michigan had a beautiful offensive plan that I thoroughly enjoyed watching, and as an SEC fan, I was still happy to see them win.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 1, 2008 22:54:40 GMT -6
Yspace, that was a great post, thanks.
Spread22, this is one thing I am not real fond of an open or spread look is the issue with pass protection. I think ultimately the Qb has to account for the sixth or seventh man.
How many of you were happy for Carr, in that he seemed somewhat vindicated from seeming like a "bad" coach? I know he has not always been the best coach, but he has been one of the best for saving face and maintaining respect for the program.
It was just nice to see the way Henne outplayed Tebow and how the Wolverines were very resilient. I hope this win helps their staff in their quest to get other jobs.
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 2, 2008 9:06:41 GMT -6
Things that UM did that I really, really liked: 1) Pass to set up the run. Ran their signature Wide Zone play a bunch, but largely in good "box situations" and more out of 11 personnel than maybe they had all year. Gave them a chance to run in key spots v. a very active front. I also have a hunch that this is the first time in a long, long time Henne has been truly healthy. 2) Jet. Hadn't done this a bunch, but it probably wasn't hard addition because I would assume they just blocked Wide Zone. Great way to get Manningham extra touches. 3) Double Post in the Red Zone. Hit 3 big ones, twice for TD, once to the 1 YL. This has been a Michigan RZ staple since Fielding Yost...makes it surprising that UF didn't have stronger answers than, say Cover 0 for it in that area... 3b) Creative formation structures for protection answers. TE/Wing empty as a way to get to their favorite 7 man protection (variation of 58-59 Full slide away from TE/FB-Wing)...starting Hart out in Empty to get coverage and pressure declared, then motioning him back into the backfield...strong stuff. 4) 'Levels' concept (a la Indy) in all shapes and sizes. Big conversion down play. 5) Broke known tendencies....best example: Had been a 100% Quick Screen team from 'Diamond'. Threw TE throwback screen away from Diamond for a big chunk that set up one of RB's goalline fumbles. 6) Cadence variation. Got several offsides penalties, but I don't think that was the point. Pass pro was better than it had been all year for them, and I think part of it lie with using those cadence variations to see where the stuff was coming from, and Henne is a master of redirecting/repointing protections. For any HS coach that's been fortunate enough to visit their staff, you have to feel great for a phenomenal group of human beings....from Coach Stripling to Coach Deboard, Coach Moeller and Coach Loeffler, and particularly Coach Carr, they have been a model of going above and beyond to help HS coaches learn the game. Great post! I will say that, from an outside observer, Michigan has always run a pretty sophisticated offense over the last few seasons. They really incorporate a lot of new and good stuff. I didn't get to see all of this game, but I am never impressed with Meyer's passing concepts. I'd need to study film to get into it, but there's something wrong there he needs to get fixed. Now he's got a returning QB - I would think about watching that Michigan tape maybe and borrowing a few ideas. Anyway, I love RR but arguably his passing offense - spread or not - will be less sophisticated than what Michigan has done for the past few years. They were one of the early movers on the "spacing concept" and lots of others. Anyway, again, great post yspace. |
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Post by blackfly73 on Jan 2, 2008 9:16:55 GMT -6
How many of you were happy for Carr, in that he seemed somewhat vindicated from seeming like a "bad" coach? I know he has not always been the best coach, but he has been one of the best for saving face and maintaining respect for the program. It was just nice to see the way Henne outplayed Tebow and how the Wolverines were very resilient. I hope this win helps their staff in their quest to get other jobs. I'll actually admit I was choked up at the end of the game for Coach Carr. He IS a GREAT coach, he's a throwback, he isn't a great self-promoter, and he wasn't overly fond of the media. He put the program and players first - ALWAYS, and always acted with it foremost in his mind. I never believed he was a 'bad' coach - in fact I always bristled when the offense was called too old and archaic. They brought in Alex Gibbs a few years ago to install the Denver run game - Wide/Tight Zone - which Hart ran perfectly. The man won 1 National Championship and was knocking on the door in several other seasons (remember last year? 1 win away and that Ohio State game was EXTREMELY close) I'm looking forward to the Rodriguez era at Michigan too - but I have to admit I'm a little anxious. Michigan has an identity as a tough hardnosed team - changing that too much could end up like Nebraska. |
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Post by deaux68 on Jan 2, 2008 9:55:37 GMT -6
Y Space hit the nail on the head with his breakdown. I think Florida is probably a better team, but Michigan wanted it more and had a great gameplan.
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Post by slydaddy on Jan 2, 2008 11:17:25 GMT -6
Gotta put my two cents in...I have been crowing about SEC speed all year..well, now I am eating crow. Congrats Michigan on a well-deserved win. They just plain beat the Gators. And Mizzou pummeled Arkansas. Of course, you could say Arkansas was reeling from losing their coach, but I won't. They just got destroyed. Now, my Vols did win and beat a good Wisconsin team. I don't think I have ever seen a harder hitting game. I'll shut up about the Big Ten for this year. Maybe I should just realize that their is more parity in college football than I had at first thought. Plus, there are some pretty good coaches out there too. Hope everyone had a great Christmas, and good luck this new year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 11:42:52 GMT -6
Ok, Meyer 1st gets to UF and is a disciplinarian and does well. Now, he's lax on it, and there are 2 main examples OFF the field. First Brandon James and a freshman basketball player get into trouble this summer on drug-related charges. James is suspended for 2 games and the basketball player is kicked off the team...double standard??? Tony Joiner got into an altercation at a bar and they suspended him, only to allow him to come back from that suspension 1 game early, some message sent to your team.
From the coaching point of view he choked long before the game, but he also choked in it. How many discussions on here have there been on how to handle def. pressure?! Screens, and draws are one way and yes, they DO run some triple option, those will beat the blitz for sure. It was like watching a h.s. team who has 1 or 2 good athletes and he rode those horses WAY too long. Yes, thier d is awful, but again, I say lack of discipline IMO. UF lacks team discipline and Meyer is at the root of all of it. He's no better than Zook was when he was there.
Also, w/4 something left in the game and Michigan turning the ball over the way they were why go for it on 4th down w/all your to's left? I don't know it irked me when every camera angle they showed Meyer had that same Ron Zook "duh" look on his face. Instead of doing what he did last year and MAKE things happen he LET things happen and that is where he choked.
Again as I said earlier the man for the job is in South Carolina, and yes he's choked plenty of times too, but his teams were ALWAYS well disciplined. In my book I'd rather get my a$$ beat and be disciplined than win and be undisciplined any day! My hat's off to Michigan though, they are a good football team that underacheived all year IMO. I'm glad Coach Carr ended w/a win, and I never thought he got much of a fair shake other than he really struggled beating OSU.
Duece
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 2, 2008 11:47:19 GMT -6
... Also, w/4 something left in the game and Michigan turning the ball over the way they were why go for it on 4th down w/all your to's left? ... Instead of doing what he did last year and MAKE things happen he LET things happen and that is where he choked. ... seems like going for it on 4th down is an attempt to "make" things happen as opposed to punting and "letting" things happen.  |
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Post by Yash on Jan 2, 2008 11:56:52 GMT -6
I think he went for it becuase it was 4 and 5 and his defense couldn't hold. He figured 5 yards is easier to make than holding michigans offense. As for him not kicking his guy off the team, maybe the basketball player had prior incidents that warranted removal from the team, i'm not sure, but what I do know is that Urban Meyer has a national championship ring and didn't go stupid over the course of a year. The guy knows what he is doing and has been a winner at every school hes been at so I don't think hes a choker or an idiot.
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Post by chadp56 on Jan 2, 2008 12:18:38 GMT -6
I had a few thoughts on the game, first it was a great game between two exceptional programs. Michigan's seniors finally stepped up in a big game. I'm not a Michigan fan (State fan acutally), but I have respect for their classy program, and so in that sense it was good to see Carr go out with a win. UofM really should have won this game with the seniors that they have. I thought Henne was very accurate and their WR's made some great grabs.
Florida played very good on offense until it came to a must throw every down situation. Then they couldn't protect (like Hawii last night). I was surprised even on the last play that they released the RB instead of providing a little more time for Tebo.
In all, it was an exciting game and I thought well coached by both sides. The difference was that Michigan had more play makers, and this time they made the plays when they needed to. Florida should be deadly next year!
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Post by los on Jan 2, 2008 12:20:08 GMT -6
UF has a fairly young team and will be back strong in the sec next season, as well as the national picture. Dang...... did a georgia guy just say something nice about the Gators.... shame on me, lol! It was nice seeing "the coach" Carr and "his qb" Henne, go out on a "good note"... after all the "bashing", they've both gone through this season.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 16:10:56 GMT -6
Ok, if he didn't go stupid tell me how many screens did they run? How about how many draw plays were there? How many times did they leave a back in to protect? Michigan didn't change a dam thing from the 1st 1/2 and neither did UF, shame on Meyer. The coaches that adjust are the one's that win, period! There have been enough discussions on this board about just such a topic, and Meyer fell way short of that, as they did nothing diff. in the 2nd 1/2. That's what bothered me, if he's so good, then why didn't they adjust? IMO he thought Michigan was the lesser team, and underestimated them, something NO good coach should do (remember any team on any give day can be beaten).
Also, UF's dc never had the guts to go all out man except for a few times late in the 1st 1/2 that cost them several big plays. I bet 90% of thier blitzes were zone blitzes that never got any pressure on the qb. It seemed to me they did better when they only rushed 4 and attempted to cover w/7 (which was very rare, they blitzed the most I've seen them blitz since early in the season). I don't know it just seemed as though the entire coaching staff was beating a dead horse.
The other thing that bothered me was the crap that UF's players did before the game dancing around and taunting the Michigan players. There is no place in college football for that, and that is a DIRECT reflection on Meyer. How many of you honestly would LET your players do that kind of crap? To me it is nothing more than a lack of respect for authority and a lack of respect for the game.
Duece
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Post by Yash on Jan 2, 2008 18:58:30 GMT -6
I think that the jumping around the field before the game is stupid, but if you remember 6 weeks ago against Ohio State it was Mike Hart running his mouth needing to be restrained before the game because both teams were meeting at the middle of the field and jumping around. So thats not something specific to florida, it happens a lot, and I agree its stuipd. As for how many screens did he run, well, One went for a TD in the first half, and on the final drive of the game he threw 2 of them to Harvin, but Harvin was so gassed he couldn't do much with them. Throughout the game I thought they threw quite a few (over 5) screen passes. I think you just have a vendetta for Urban Meyer honestly.
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