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Post by fbdoc on Jan 1, 2008 12:26:27 GMT -6
Michigan was pretty impressive on the opening drive. How about that spread look?
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Post by Coach Goodnight on Jan 1, 2008 12:33:15 GMT -6
It looked ok but how about lining them up in the DW, that would look even better.....lol....
A lot of intensity prior to the game and looks like Michigan has carried it over. Looking good so far.
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Post by theprez98 on Jan 1, 2008 14:11:28 GMT -6
Michigan up 21-14 at the half...
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Post by coachorr on Jan 1, 2008 14:32:50 GMT -6
I liked the play action from Tebow. One or two steps forward then stop step and throw. Nice.
Interestingly enough, Henne looks like the better QB at this point. I never thought I would hear myself say that.
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Post by spread22 on Jan 1, 2008 14:46:42 GMT -6
I'm really enjoying this game. Percy Harvin is something else. I honestly think that what Michigan is doing on offense is fairly similar to what Rodriguez might do at first. Florida has had some protection problems.
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Post by Yash on Jan 1, 2008 14:58:52 GMT -6
Gotta love the fake punt I wish someone was sitting by me who cared about football because I knew it was coming.
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Post by Yash on Jan 1, 2008 15:59:52 GMT -6
Congrats to Carr for finishing with a victory. Always good to see the good guys end with a win.
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Post by theprez98 on Jan 1, 2008 16:07:29 GMT -6
So much for "SEC Speed!" Heisman winner's team has not fared well the last few years.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 1, 2008 16:12:28 GMT -6
I think this victory speaks VOLUMES for the big Blue coaching staff as a whole. What a difficult situation to be in-- "meaningless" new years day bowl with all watching. Big time underdog, playing against a team whose offense is similar to the offenses that "ruined" your season...ALL of this knowing (or likely knowing ) you don't have a job lined up for next year...
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Post by eric58 on Jan 1, 2008 16:33:25 GMT -6
Anyone get a chance to record it. I caught the end of the 1st half and the rest of the game. I to saw that fake punt coming and I told my wife watch for the fake.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 1, 2008 16:35:01 GMT -6
I agree that this does speak volumes about the character of the Michigan coaching staff.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 1, 2008 16:35:10 GMT -6
have been disappointed in the defenses of sec teams - specifically those of arkansas and florida.
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Post by coachveer on Jan 1, 2008 16:36:05 GMT -6
Nice Job Coach Carr.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 1, 2008 16:39:34 GMT -6
Coach Huey, I was expecting Michigan to be the team to struggle on defense, clearly this was not the case. The Michigan defense broke a couple of times, but played very well down the stretch. I thought the Michigan Dline looked very good today.
I thought Tennessee's defense looked pretty good today. Especially from the front seven
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Post by fbdoc on Jan 1, 2008 16:41:59 GMT -6
Even with the 4 turnovers, Michigan still won. Florida (Tebow) could not handle the pressure when it mattered. Nice win for Lloyd Carr.
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Post by adw30 on Jan 1, 2008 17:15:40 GMT -6
While watching the game it was clear that Michigan's approach on offense was the difference. Despite the 4 turnovers, the multiple spread sets and their ability to execute on third down really kept UF's defense off balance.
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Post by Yash on Jan 1, 2008 17:37:35 GMT -6
I recorded this game so anyone who wants a replay of it PM me and we'll work out a trade, I know this isn't the forum for trading, but I figured I'd just post in the discussion for anyone who wanted a second view.
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Post by kylem56 on Jan 1, 2008 18:03:17 GMT -6
I also recorded it, congrats to Coach Carr truly a class act
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2008 18:38:22 GMT -6
Urban Meyer choked, period point blank! He's the John Gruden of college football. I cannot stand undisciplined football and he's got them playing Zookball again! He's gotten lax since the NC game last year and it is awful. The man for the job is in South Carolina, shame on you Foley! I've never seen a coaching staff look more confused than UF's did today, it is probably the most pitiful thing I've seen in a while.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 1, 2008 18:58:35 GMT -6
Urban Meyer choked, period point blank! He's the John Gruden of college football. I cannot stand undisciplined football and he's got them playing Zookball again! He's gotten lax since the NC game last year and it is awful. The man for the job is in South Carolina, shame on you Foley! I've never seen a coaching staff look more confused than UF's did today, it is probably the most pitiful thing I've seen in a while. Duece is that a fan's point of view or one from a coaching aspect? what are some examples, specifically, of poor game management and play-calling. i didn't watch the whole game so am unaware of how bad it, apparently, was
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Post by Yash on Jan 1, 2008 19:11:51 GMT -6
I didn't think that Meyer choked. I think that he needed to do something to handle the blitz better but I wouldn't call it choking. He called a fake punt on his own 30 yard line that got him a first down, thats not choking. Defensively his team got out played but I don't know where the choke reference comes in.
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Post by FlexboneOne on Jan 1, 2008 20:13:25 GMT -6
Urban Meyer choked, period point blank! He's the John Gruden of college football. I cannot stand undisciplined football and he's got them playing Zookball again! He's gotten lax since the NC game last year and it is awful. The man for the job is in South Carolina, shame on you Foley! I've never seen a coaching staff look more confused than UF's did today, it is probably the most pitiful thing I've seen in a while. Duece SOunds like an SEC fan all the way. Too bad it was really a complete win for Michigan. The actual score should have been 2-3 TD's worse, except for stupid turnovers. Urban Meyer was a genius last year, and now he's stupid? That's a parent/school board mentality, dude.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2008 20:23:57 GMT -6
Agree with the above post. I'm a Michigan fan absolutely love the senior class so i was glad to see them get at least one bowl win. Did we get a sneak preview of how a Rodriquez coached big blue will look today?
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Post by kkennedy on Jan 1, 2008 21:08:20 GMT -6
Actually the shotgun stuff you saw was in Michigans offense all year. They just used it more and finally got agressive with playcalling(threw the ball downfield instead of 5 yard outs all day). As far as Urban Meyer choking or whatever I disagree. I think him and his staff called a great game. Fake punts for first down which everybody saw coming(except U of M defense) as well as the fake speed option reverse for a td ( I also saw that coming). The difference for UF from this year to last year was depth in the defensive front. If they have the same defensive front as last year it might have been a different game.
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Post by blackfly73 on Jan 1, 2008 21:23:12 GMT -6
Actually the shotgun stuff you saw was in Michigans offense all year. They just used it more and finally got agressive with playcalling(threw the ball downfield instead of 5 yard outs all day). As far as Urban Meyer choking or whatever I disagree. I think him and his staff called a great game. Fake punts for first down which everybody saw coming(except U of M defense) as well as the fake speed option reverse for a td ( I also saw that coming). The difference for UF from this year to last year was depth in the defensive front. If they have the same defensive front as last year it might have been a different game. I was thinking the same thing as well - Michigan's offense wasn't a drastic departure from what they did during the year, especially early on when ALL the offense was healthy. Not an excuse - a fact. The injury to Henne especially I think really limited the offense all year, causing them to go with a more conservative playcalling regimen when Mallete had to play (or be "on deck"). Not sure Meyer choked at all - Michigan just discovered that Florida had trouble protacting against 5 man blitzes, and I really didn't see the Wolverines bringing the house a whole lot - that front 4 just plain out brought it. Maybe rodriguez should also re-hire Steve Stripling the D-Line coach? Ron English confirmed his departure to Louisville BTW
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Post by yspace on Jan 1, 2008 21:26:52 GMT -6
Things that UM did that I really, really liked: 1) Pass to set up the run. Ran their signature Wide Zone play a bunch, but largely in good "box situations" and more out of 11 personnel than maybe they had all year. Gave them a chance to run in key spots v. a very active front. I also have a hunch that this is the first time in a long, long time Henne has been truly healthy.
2) Jet. Hadn't done this a bunch, but it probably wasn't hard addition because I would assume they just blocked Wide Zone. Great way to get Manningham extra touches.
3) Double Post in the Red Zone. Hit 3 big ones, twice for TD, once to the 1 YL. This has been a Michigan RZ staple since Fielding Yost...makes it surprising that UF didn't have stronger answers than, say Cover 0 for it in that area...
3b) Creative formation structures for protection answers. TE/Wing empty as a way to get to their favorite 7 man protection (variation of 58-59 Full slide away from TE/FB-Wing)...starting Hart out in Empty to get coverage and pressure declared, then motioning him back into the backfield...strong stuff.
4) 'Levels' concept (a la Indy) in all shapes and sizes. Big conversion down play.
5) Broke known tendencies....best example: Had been a 100% Quick Screen team from 'Diamond'. Threw TE throwback screen away from Diamond for a big chunk that set up one of RB's goalline fumbles.
6) Cadence variation. Got several offsides penalties, but I don't think that was the point. Pass pro was better than it had been all year for them, and I think part of it lie with using those cadence variations to see where the stuff was coming from, and Henne is a master of redirecting/repointing protections.
For any HS coach that's been fortunate enough to visit their staff, you have to feel great for a phenomenal group of human beings....from Coach Stripling to Coach Deboard, Coach Moeller and Coach Loeffler, and particularly Coach Carr, they have been a model of going above and beyond to help HS coaches learn the game.
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Post by dacoachmo on Jan 1, 2008 22:19:06 GMT -6
I thought Michigan game plans were excellent. however I did think Meyer did an awesome job of moving that Marvin kid around and getting him the ball. I did not like how at the end of the game...it seemed all the FLA routes were long...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2008 22:19:08 GMT -6
Yeah, I didn't mean that Michigan was doing anything totally different in my above post. I just think it showed that Michigan can be successful running an almost exclusive spread offense. I know the Rodriquez system has relied on a mobile QB, but he can adjust accordingly I'm sure. If he can't, he's earning way too much money
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Post by jw8 on Jan 1, 2008 22:33:55 GMT -6
Coach Huey- I agree with the disappointing look of Florida and Arkansas on defense. I think the media created "speed of the SEC" was shown at times today to be more myth then reality. Mizzou handled Arkansas all day on both sides of the ball. They took away two good backs for Arkansas and looked to be the more athletic team most of the day. Michigan was impressive with their ability to apply pressure on Tebo. They played at a fast pace for a "slow" big ten team.
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Post by kkennedy on Jan 1, 2008 22:42:23 GMT -6
Honestly I think the speed was there for Florida, evidence of that was when Michigan ran the jet sweep stuff with Manningham UF was able to run that down pretty well. When Michigan was succesful running the ball they were running north and south (which is what you want to do if they are faster than you anways). U of M's passing game worked because of the protection for Henne. You give a decent QB that kind of protection and passing becomes pretty easy. Even against a faster team.
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