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Post by ttowntiger on Nov 25, 2005 22:23:39 GMT -6
I have a problem. I am trying to get the head job at a small Christian private school. I think I am 1 of about 3 candidates. Here is the problem. The coach they seemingly are leaning to is an experienced guy. I have nowhere near the experience he does. Secondly, this guy seems to be of questionable character, from what I know of him. #1 A few years ago, he abandoned a team a few weeks before the season started and left for another school.#2 We played his team this year and they were the dirtiest team we played. Cheap shot city. I believe a team is a reflection of it's coach. #3 Negative attitude. The team he coached this year, all I heard him talk about before the season was how bad they were going to be andhow they needed to move to a lower classification. By the way, my school has a smaller enrollment than his and we beat them 35-14. It was 28-0 at the end of the 1st quarter. Could have been 70-0. I believe you can win just about anywhere if you work and don't look for excuses. By the way, this was his 1st year at the school and he is already looking to leave. The job we are both seeking is a new program. The have played 2 years and only won 1 game. They regularly get beat 50 points or more (84-0 one game). I thinkn the last thing they need is a loser like this guy. My problem is I'm not sure the headmaster knows this guy's track record. I know it would be a terrible mistake to hire this guy. Just because someone is experienced doesn't make them a good coach. How could I let them know what this guy is like in a roundabout way? I'm not into ruining anyone, I just think this school needs to know what they are getting with this guy and yet be ethical about it. Any suggestions?
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Post by tog on Nov 25, 2005 22:32:48 GMT -6
moving this to the general forum
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Post by tog on Nov 25, 2005 22:40:02 GMT -6
Control what you can control. If they don't want you, then they might deserve someone like that.
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Post by ttowntiger on Nov 26, 2005 0:26:20 GMT -6
I know you need players, but i don't think a coach should publically say how horrible his players are. You can think whatever you want, but if you think your players are lousy, you should keep that to yourself.
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Post by tog on Nov 26, 2005 0:44:56 GMT -6
I know you need players, but i don't think a coach should publically say how horrible his players are. You can think whatever you want, but if you think your players are lousy, you should keep that to yourself. I agree coach, but is this something for you to say in an interview about another coach? If the people doing the hiring are worht a darn then they will find this out for themselves, and if they don't, then you don't want to work for them anyhow. |
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Post by coachjd on Nov 26, 2005 5:47:32 GMT -6
only worry about what you can control. Go into that interview and sell yourself and your ability to run the program. As said before, if they choose to go with the other coach then I'm not too sure you want to work at this school. If the headmaster does a good job in the interview and calling references etc... then I would think the other coach does not have a chance. IMO
Best of luck.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 26, 2005 8:42:36 GMT -6
If this guy is as bad as you say he is, the administrators who hire him will get what they deserve. He will burn them sooner or later.
Keep looking.
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Post by ttowntiger on Nov 26, 2005 10:09:12 GMT -6
Actually, to my knowledge, they have not formally interviewed anyone for the position. I'm not sure when, or if, that will happen. It has just been informal discussions so far.I do go to church with most of the people affiliated with the school. I'm not sure that administration understands what it takes to be successful. For instance, the headmaster told me that they didn't have the funds to pay anyone until next school year, so it may be April or so before they hire anyone. I just flat out told him that I thought that would be too late if they waited that long and whomever they chose would have a hard time if they waited that long(Ido know the guy well, so I felt comfortable sharing this with him).I even offered to come in and work on a part time basis for free to get things going starting in January or so to get things started. I think it is especially crucial to get a good strength and conditioning program started ASAP. There strength program in the past has been a joke. Workouts weren't even mandatory. Only like 5 kids would usually show up. I asked a junior high kid what they did at 1 of the workouts. He said they did some power cleans, then ran a mile! I thought, those people are clueless. Just do a good exercise like power cleans, then basically cancel it out with distance running. I just 6think with the sad state that program is in, whoever gets it needs to get to work right away. March or April is too late! Anyway, I'll try to keep my mouth shut about this guy. However, if someone brings him up to me, should I tell them what I know? Or should I just say "no comment."Because I'm sure someone (parent, player, etc.) will mention him around me sometime soon if they think he's their man. Thanks for you guys advice. this is a great site!
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 26, 2005 10:13:19 GMT -6
yknow, this is something to think about...bad programs are bad for a reason. if they hire a bad coach, they deserve their fate. you will alientate the administration if you try to point out another coaches flaws...just emphasize your strengths...be aware, the BEST MAN rarely gets hired for any job.
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Post by ttowntiger on Nov 26, 2005 10:49:10 GMT -6
I teach physical education. Not sure if that's what they would have me do over there. I do know their PE guy is leaving after this year. they are also looking to get a full time AD, I believe. The last coach was just a volunteer who worked away from school. They may have payed him a little. I just hope and pray I get an actual interview. Then maybe I can sell them on my system. At least then I'd have a chance.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 26, 2005 10:50:42 GMT -6
ttowntiger - Run away as FAST AS YOU CAN! Job sounds like a real dog. Unless you are just looking to gain some HC experience and aren't really concerned about wins and losses, I would pass on this position. Sounds like losing and low standards have been institutionalized and that is a really tough situation to overcome, ESPECIALLY considering that you probably aren't going to be compensated adequately for your efforts. groundchuck may have some thoughts on this.  |
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Post by ttowntiger on Nov 26, 2005 12:19:22 GMT -6
It's tough because I know some of the players over there. they really are good kids. I hate seeing them get drilled every week. I believe it's a good school. I just really don't believe the administration understands the commitment it takes to be successful. For instance, he talked about them spending $3000 for uniforms last year for uniforms like it was some great pain. I didn't tell him that our buget this year for just football was around $20,000, and our school isn't much bigger than theirs. Their "weight room" is pitiful. a shed probably 20x20. They have only a couple of benches. Many of their weights are those plastic kind with cement inside. The sad part is, the school is in a great location. That program is a sleeping giant if they would start doing things the right way.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 26, 2005 14:54:04 GMT -6
i wouldnt sell them on your system, sell them on your program instead...
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Post by phantom on Nov 26, 2005 15:17:34 GMT -6
I agree that selling a program will be more useful than running down another applicant (and I agree with whoever said they they don't even see how you could work it into the conversation). It sounds like the school really needs fundraising and overall facilities development. If you can go in with ideas about what you want to develop and specific ideas about where you'll get the money and equipment you'll be way ahead of the game.
That said, I do think that NOT getting this job could be the biggest boost your career could get.
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