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Post by shakdaddy3 on Jun 22, 2007 20:57:58 GMT -6
How many of you have seen the TE stance in which he stands straight up with his hands on his hips as if he's superman? Why do teams do this? What is the logic behind this?
Most team either have their TEs hand on the ground unless he is split out, then he is in a WR stance. However, I have now seen a couple teams (one being Hayden Frye's Iowa Hawkeyes) that have their TE line up next to the tackle in a superman pose. The position is rather unathletic, and I cannot for the life of me figure out the reason behind it.
Any ideas? Thanks.
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Post by kboyd on Jun 22, 2007 21:26:57 GMT -6
I honestly don't think I've ever seen that and I couldn't begin to tell you what the advantage would be. Besides, I'd be worried that his cape would get caught up and choke him.  |
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Post by coachjd on Jun 23, 2007 6:36:54 GMT -6
University of Iowa used to use it all the time back when Hayden Fry was the head coach. We used it a few years back when our top 2 TE's went down with season ending injuries, so we moved our biggest WR to TE and had him play in a 2 point stance. Most of the time he was flexed at least 4-6 yards.
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Post by shakdaddy3 on Jun 23, 2007 7:48:16 GMT -6
University of Iowa used to use it all the time back when Hayden Fry was the head coach. We used it a few years back when our top 2 TE's went down with season ending injuries, so we moved our biggest WR to TE and had him play in a 2 point stance. Most of the time he was flexed at least 4-6 yards. coachjd, what is the logic behind it? I just don't understand how a coach could go up to Hayden Fye and say, "hey, instead of putting the TE's hand on the ground or put him in an athletic receiver stance, let's make him look like this:"  On top of that, he convinced him... how? what is the reasoning? |
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Post by coachjd on Jun 23, 2007 8:42:40 GMT -6
tog, herky, knighter and a few others on the board are the local experts on Hawkeye football, but I believe he wanted the TE to be able to read coverages and in a 3 pt stance he was not able to that.
The only reason we did it was due to the fact that we were out of TE's and we moved our 6'-3" 175 3rd WR there in a flexed alignment.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 23, 2007 8:53:46 GMT -6
believed it to be slightly harder for safeties and lb's to identify "high hat- pass / low hat-run"
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Post by tango on Jun 23, 2007 9:24:27 GMT -6
I remember him saying that it made it easier to see the mike lb on down blocks and read coverages. He also said it made the edge player on defense stand tall and on out blocks and reach blocks it didn't affect their footwork.
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Post by chris5ft2 on Jun 25, 2007 2:15:54 GMT -6
Aren't there some leagues where the rules state a player cannot go in motion from a 3 point stance? In which case, if teams motion their Tight End a lot, they would keep him in a 2 point every play to not tip off whether they would be motioning.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 25, 2007 6:48:16 GMT -6
Aren't there some leagues where the rules state a player cannot go in motion from a 3 point stance? In which case, if teams motion their Tight End a lot, they would keep him in a 2 point every play to not tip off whether they would be motioning. Legal by NCAA rules and NFL rules ... and, I presume, Federation rules. Youth leagues or Eurupean leagues .... I don't know. |
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Post by lsrood on Jun 25, 2007 10:52:37 GMT -6
shakdaddy3,
Our TE is up in a 2-Pt. stance and has been for years. Check past threads because I started one on this subject a while back and got some very good responses. In a nutshell though, we keep our TE or TE's if double tight, up because it allows them an easier release off the LOS for pass plays, allows them to see the blitzes quicker for replacement hot routes and we have found it does not affect their blocking whatsoever. We put the inside leg up and put the hands on the hip for balance sake rather than up in a receivers mold. We run a lot of bootlegs and othe PA passes off of our power series and it allows our TE a much easier release off the ball. It is much more difficult to jam them and we have had great success with it. Based on the previous thread, I don't know of too many other teams that currently do it, and my question would be Why not?
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 25, 2007 21:17:41 GMT -6
ive been thinking of having my TEs go from a 2 point stance to see if they can make the reach block easier from it.
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Post by shakdaddy3 on Jun 26, 2007 21:34:32 GMT -6
thanks for the responses. To be honest, it still baffles me. I understand why you would want a TE in a 2 point stance, more so if it's more like a WR stance. I completely can see how it enables the TE to see second and third level defenders more easily. However, the "superman pose" stance is just not an athletic position and it can prevent TEs from getting low in order to gain leverage for blocks.
lsrood, why not have the TE put his hands up instead of on his hips? Are your receivers not balanced when they are in their 2 point with their hands up? And when you say they are in a 2 pt. stance, do you mean like a WR or like the picture I posted?
Coach Huey, I can somewhat see what you're saying. But in order for the TE to gain leverage for run blocking, won't he have to get low anyway? So would having him stand like superman really create the inability of the defense to read high hat/low hat read?
I'm not an o-line guy, I'm a skill offensive guy, so I'm no genious when it comes to the big boys' play. It's just is an unathletic position and the theories behind doing it don't hold much water IMO. Trying to get out of that position is not easy. How many times do you want a guy standing straight up with his arms and hands at his sides? To me the answer is never.
I gotta say, if it were a really good thing for TEs to do, then wouldn't it be much more widespread?
Once again, thanks for the responses. I know I wouldn't ever want to use this... but I do want to know why coaches do.
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Post by lsrood on Jun 27, 2007 9:47:44 GMT -6
shakdaddy3,
When I say 2 pt, I mean that they have the inside leg forward like a WR stance, with the hands resting on the hips and a slight forward lean. I don't think it is an unathletic position and as I said our TE's have no problems with it. We keep the hands on the hips so as to not tip which way we are going or what we are doing. We tried the receiver pose but it didn't work out as well for them. As for standing there like Superman, that is not what we are doing. Hayden Fry was a great coach and innovator. We initially implemented this because we had undersized TE's and this allowed them to see better and did not hinder their blocking. We've been doing it ever since and the only problem we have is when our scout team runs the opponents offense, we have to keep reminding the TE to get down in a 3 pt. stance, they prefer to be up. Try it with your TE's, you might find they like it.
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Post by lsrood on Jun 27, 2007 9:57:31 GMT -6
shakdaddy3, I think I properly pasted the link to the original thread I started. If not it is located under the Running game on page 4. Look for "Stand-up TE". coachhuey.proboards42.com/index. To any moderator on line I hope I did this the right way, if not could you provide the proper link to that thread. Thanks lsrood |
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Post by shakdaddy3 on Jun 27, 2007 20:23:55 GMT -6
lsrood, i can definitely understand why one would want to put the TE in a 2 pt. receiver stance (although I don't see the hands at the hips). That IS an atheltic position, I agree. However, I was literally talking about a TE standing like the superman picture I posted.
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