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Post by morris on Dec 1, 2012 7:02:36 GMT -6
Last night one of the programs here in KY won their 6th straight state title and their 22 in like 35 years. They are not a private school but an independent school district. We have another school tonight that is private and I believe is also going for their 6th straight and something like 22 or 23 title in the same amount of time.
Do any of you guys have programs like this in your state? Neither team appears to be able to find teams in the state that can compete with them. In fact the private school only plays 3 or 4 in state schools until the playoffs because no one will play them. Those 3-4 games are because the other schools have to play them for district games
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Post by coachbuck on Dec 1, 2012 7:18:10 GMT -6
Here in california we have team l de la salle. They seem to always be on top and blow everyone out of the water, even in the state games. They are a private school. Private schools here in california have an unfair advantage. Our rules have changed so you may se a leveling of the playing field. You can transfer to any school you like but you have to sit 30 days. If you have a change of address you can play right away.
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Post by CS on Dec 1, 2012 8:02:42 GMT -6
Greenwood, Bentonville, Fayetteville- Arkansas
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Post by blb on Dec 1, 2012 8:26:09 GMT -6
Michigan doesn't have any "dominant" programs like OP's Kentucky examples. But we have around 620 schools playing Football.
Among public schools in the 38 years of playoffs Farmington Hills Harrison has won 13 titles, Mendon and East Grand Rapids 11 each, Muskegon six.
Detroit St. Martin DePorres won 12 before it closed several years ago. Detroit Catholic Central has ten, Birmingham Brother Rice, Jackson Lumen Christi and Muskegon Catholic Central eight apiece, Traverse City St. Francis and Orchard Lake St. Mary five each.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Dec 1, 2012 8:29:31 GMT -6
Ansonia High School from CT. They are always in the finals, I think they've won 17 state. Titles in the last 30 years or something ridiculous like that.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Dec 1, 2012 10:07:03 GMT -6
Michigan doesn't have any "dominant" programs like OP's Kentucky examples. But we have around 620 schools playing Football. Among public schools in the 38 years of playoffs Farmington Hills Harrison has won 13 titles, Mendon and East Grand Rapids 11 each, Muskegon six. Detroit St. Martin DePorres won 12 before it closed several years ago. Detroit Catholic Central has ten, Birmingham Brother Rice, Jackson Lumen Christi and Muskegon Catholic Central eight apiece, Traverse City St. Francis and Orchard Lake St. Mary five each. Forgot Ithaca, the division 6 school with a freakin' jumbo-tron in their own home field. Cass Tech won the past two D1 titles with relative ease. A relatively newer program that will likely be a D1 power for a long time too. Their talent is just stupid silly.
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 1, 2012 10:31:24 GMT -6
In Rhode Island's highest class it's almost always a two dog race between two private schools. Bishop Hendricken HS and LaSalle HS. If both aren't playing eachother in the Finals there'e at least one of them in it.
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 1, 2012 11:37:33 GMT -6
I have lived my entire life in the same city as the evil empire
De La Salle
They have so many unfair advantages it is nowhere close to an even playing field with anyone else
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Post by wvcoach on Dec 1, 2012 14:46:08 GMT -6
In West Virginia, Martinsburg just won their third straight AAA title. That hadn't been done in half a century. A school in my county, Wayne just won their second straight AA title and third out of four attempts since 2006. There are others, but these are probably the top two.
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Post by blb on Dec 1, 2012 15:17:57 GMT -6
Forgot Ithaca, the division 6 school with a freakin' jumbo-tron in their own home field. Cass Tech won the past two D1 titles with relative ease. A relatively newer program that will likely be a D1 power for a long time too. Their talent is just stupid silly. I'd like to forget Ithaca, but they're the ones that knocked us out of playoffs this year. Their stadium is better than every D-2 college one I've been in. But they don't win because of the stadium or JumboTron. They have a great youth program, players, and are well-coached. The rest is just evidence of how important Football is to the community. And besides, most of the facility stuff came from one big money donor. Frankly, the school itself (except for weight room, which was part of the Football facilities re-do) is pretty average and not all that well-kept. As for Cass Tech - since Detroit Public Schools have closed many and consolidated - it's like playing an All-Star team. But it's not a "newer" program. Cass Tech has been around forever. The school has changed though. And they have a great coach in Thomas Wilcher, who played RB for Bo at U-M.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 1, 2012 15:32:06 GMT -6
Well the two most "dominant" programs in Louisiana are probably John Curtis Christian and Evangel Christian.
I believe John Curtis will be playing for their 25th state title since 1975 this upcoming weekend. They will be playing Evangel who will be playing for their 14th title since 1993. These two have played in the same classification since 2007, and have only beaten each other in that current classification (AA).
Curtis has 6 previous occasions of at least back-to-back titles 1979, 1980, 1981 1983, 1984, 1985 1987, 1988 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 2001, 2002 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 And will be playing for one this weekend (2011,2012)
Evangel has 5 1993, 1994 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 2001, 2002 2004, 2005, 2006 2009, 2010
West Monroe would be the next most dominant program having 14 appearances in the Top Class title game since 1993, and winning 8 of those games.
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Post by mrjvi on Dec 1, 2012 16:56:00 GMT -6
Football being important in the community is huge. Our HS x-country team had 65 kids this year. I've had kids quit football to be one of those 65. Probably didn't want them anyway but it does say something about our school's kids emphasis
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Post by mrjvi on Dec 1, 2012 16:58:52 GMT -6
Burnt Hills , New Rochelle are 2 perennials in NY
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Post by coachkb14 on Dec 1, 2012 18:06:39 GMT -6
Timpview High School in Utah. I believe they have won 7 of the last 10 4a state championships. Public school as well
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Post by spartan76 on Dec 1, 2012 18:55:39 GMT -6
First time poster, I watched Bradenton-Manatee(Fl) play a Regional Final last night. They are the #1 rated team in the country, Their whole defensive line is going D1 next year. They beat an undefeated local team( Fort Pierce Central) 51-0. The most complete team I have seen in a long time,
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Post by fballcoachg on Dec 1, 2012 19:17:00 GMT -6
In Ohio I'd have to say St. Ignatius, 11 state championships in the highest classification.
In Tennessee and am now watching the highest classification's championship. Maryville High School has to be up there, double digit state championships and their head coach is 193-13 over 14 years...beyond insane!
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Post by coachrobpsl on Dec 1, 2012 22:35:11 GMT -6
Spartan 76, sounds like we live in the same neighborhood. FPC was very good and they got CRUSHED. Jax Bolles I think has won the most state titles in Florida with 10 I believe. Their are so many good teams down here that nobody is overpowering to the point of winning every year. The 2 Glades schools(Day and Central) and St Thomas Aquinas come to mind also as being dominant.
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Post by coachk12 on Dec 2, 2012 0:34:35 GMT -6
Greenwood, Bentonville, Fayetteville- Arkansas A lot of the historically great programs in Arkansas (LR Central, Northside, Pine Bluff) aren't nearly as good anymore because of the population shift to Northwest Arkansas. Greenwood's won 38 in a row (3 state titles) and that included a jump in classification from 5A to 6A this year. State titles in '05, '06', '07, '10, '11, and '12. Bentonville and Fayetteville have met for the past 3 state championships, with Fayetteville taking the past 2. Bentonville won in '08, Fayetteville in '07.
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Post by coachriley on Dec 2, 2012 2:09:13 GMT -6
In NM, as far as powerhouse programs go, the first two that come to mind is Artesia HS, who at one point, about 5 years ago i think, had won 25 of the past 50 years championships in whatever classification they were in. The other school that comes to mind is Goddard HS in roswell. I live here now and they are my cross town rivals. They have probably won half of the titles in the past decade. Both have amazing programs
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Post by spartan76 on Dec 2, 2012 7:34:54 GMT -6
coachrobpsl- Yea I am in PSL. Coached at Westwood and John Carroll. Now just coaching in PSLAA. We (JC)played against Glades Day and Fred Taylor's son- Kendall? Taylor. I think Glades Day will drop off since he is going to UF.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 2, 2012 7:55:48 GMT -6
The most dominant school in Minnesota is Eden Prairie. EP was 5A and won seven titles, most of them as of late. This year the MSHSL added a 6th class and moved EP (and others) up to that class. EP won number eight last weekend.
Now, EP did lose twice in the regular season this year, and there are couple other teams in the big school division (Wayzata, Cretin, and a couple others) who regularly compete with them. However EP is the 800 pound gorilla of MN high school football.
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Post by brian3413 on Dec 2, 2012 10:08:17 GMT -6
Wisconsin has a few dominant teams.
Waunakee recently, they are a D2 (2nd largest) team. lost in the state title to snap a 48 game win streak (tied the state record) Stratford had a nice run some years ago as a small school
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Post by davishfc on Dec 2, 2012 10:15:43 GMT -6
Detroit St. Martin DePorres won 12 before it closed several years ago. Detroit Catholic Central has ten, Birmingham Brother Rice, Jackson Lumen Christi and Muskegon Catholic Central eight apiece, Traverse City St. Francis and Orchard Lake St. Mary five each. Damn private schools. They should have a separate championship so the public schools that have their few crops of kids come through in the history of their school, can go further than what they're able to sometimes if they run into a powerhouse private school. Private schools will have kids flock from everywhere to go to their schools. So many small communities have the kids that they have and I just believe the purity of high school athletics is more embodied in those small public schools. Come through with the kids from your community and put together the best team from the guys that you have and go compete. There are so many other public school teams that could be factors in Michigan if not for the private schools listed above. That's tough. I believe a level playing field should exist and I don't believe that it does.
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Post by huskerhoyahawk on Dec 2, 2012 12:33:15 GMT -6
I'm in Maryland, privates don't compete for state titles. Dunbar in Baltimore just won there third straight 1A (smallest) title. At the higher levels there is more parity, though its usually the same teams in the hunt.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 2, 2012 13:27:45 GMT -6
Detroit St. Martin DePorres won 12 before it closed several years ago. Detroit Catholic Central has ten, Birmingham Brother Rice, Jackson Lumen Christi and Muskegon Catholic Central eight apiece, Traverse City St. Francis and Orchard Lake St. Mary five each. {censored} private schools. They should have a separate championship so the public schools that have their few crops of kids come through in the history of their school, can go further than what they're able to sometimes if they run into a powerhouse private school. Private schools will have kids flock from everywhere to go to their schools. So many small communities have the kids that they have and I just believe the purity of high school athletics is more embodied in those small public schools. Come through with the kids from your community and put together the best team from the guys that you have and go compete. There are so many other public school teams that could be factors in Michigan if not for the private schools listed above. That's tough. I believe a level playing field should exist and I don't believe that it does. The only issue with that thought process is that I bet if you took out private schools, the vacuum would probably be filled with the same public schools year in and year out. Maybe Louisiana is an outlier compared to the rest of the country, but I know here even though we have our dominant privates (John Curtis, Evangel, the most dominant...with Ouachita Christian, Parkview Baptist, Notre Dame and the Nola Catholic schools being solid teams that can make a run, but hardly averaging a state title at least every other year. ) if those schools are eliminated , we wouldnt see much variety in the playoffs. There would be new teams, but the late rounds of the playoffs always seem to be populated by the same teams
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Post by coachweav88 on Dec 2, 2012 21:43:01 GMT -6
In Ohio, Coldwater ( d5) public school their seniors just played their 60th football game. Played in the state championship 4 yrs in a row. Lost the last 3. Won this year.
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Post by CatsCoach on Dec 3, 2012 8:37:02 GMT -6
In Va, I would have to say D5 Phoebus who has won 7 titles in the last 12 years
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Post by CoachCP on Dec 3, 2012 9:05:11 GMT -6
Illinois has some private and public schools that are routinely pretty good.
Mt. Carmel Loyola Academy
Both of these compete at the largest level in Illinois. There are other programs too, but these stand out to me. Some small programs who have done well include Joliet Catholic and Driscoll (school closed, but won multiple state titles in a row up through the 2000's). There are others too.
But we have some public schools that are good year in and year out as well which do beat these teams. Mt. Carmel won state this year, only losing to Loyola in the regular season, who we beat in the semi's (so... guess who lost to Mt. Carmel at state this year.... yeah...). That's at the highest level in Illinois.
At the lower levels in Illinois, there are some very dominant private schools like I mentioned above with multiple DI players. I would hate to be a public school competing against them. We're lucky enough, at my program, to have enough talent and coaches to compete with these programs.
There is a long standing argument as to what is the best conference year in and year out in Illinois. Is it the CCL Blue (Catholic Christian League I believe, so a private league) or the DVC, which is filled with all public schools. There are some public schools outside the DVC also which compete annually as well at the two biggest levels in Illinois (8A and 7A).
The unfair thing is if a CCL blue team loses early enough in the IHSA state playoffs, they can compete in the City Playoffs and potentially compete for a ring there (not state, but still prestigious). This gives these programs extra practice time for their younger guys in the playoffs, even if they lose, which is utter BS. That's the thing I find most unfair.
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Post by CoachCP on Dec 3, 2012 9:05:11 GMT -6
Double post.
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Post by wingtol on Dec 3, 2012 10:22:57 GMT -6
In PA the most dominate team now regardless of class is Clartion in Single A. I think they have won like 61 games in a row and are going for their 4 straight state title. Another power house Single A team is Southern Columbia, think they won 5 titles in a row before Clartion. CB West of course had a string of 59 wins in a row in the late 90's.
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