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Oct 30, 2007 14:50:40 GMT -6
Post by biggerblue on Oct 30, 2007 14:50:40 GMT -6
I was wondering how do some of you coaches deal with fighting on the field, with your own teamates or the players on the other team and with the coaches? and what kind of punishments should be implemented with this and what stories do have with dealing with this??
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Oct 30, 2007 15:10:47 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2007 15:10:47 GMT -6
I'm probably in the minority here, but I don't feel a fight in practice is a bad thing. It can get the intensity up and leads to a pretty competitive scrimmage session. That being said, you have to punish it immediately so the players don't see it as a good thing and do it in a game.
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Oct 30, 2007 15:14:46 GMT -6
Post by dubber on Oct 30, 2007 15:14:46 GMT -6
I'll comment on our players fighting our players (like in practice)
The other two is grounds for dismissal
Anyway, I personally don't mind the fighting, as long as it is not verbal, and it doesn't run the risk of injury.
Sometimes, a good fight is just what a practice needs to get jump started.
Also, it cannot be counter productive to practice
Also, it must be a fight in the heat of competition-----I don't want kids fighting over a girl during practice.
We had a set of twins this year, and they start griping at each other during BPU......
Me: "Shut up"
Twin 1: "But, he's....."
Me: "I don't give a $% about that, I give a $% about blitz pickup!"
Basically, it has to be two guys getting pissed off at each other during practice that ultimately ends up fueling the fire
anything beyond that is a distraction
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Oct 30, 2007 15:15:49 GMT -6
Post by dubber on Oct 30, 2007 15:15:49 GMT -6
That being said, you have to punish it immediately so the players don't see it as a good thing and do it in a game. Good point.......I may not punish it, but I definitely let them know this CANNOT fly in Fridays (however that needs to be communicated)
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mike13
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Oct 30, 2007 15:30:10 GMT -6
Post by mike13 on Oct 30, 2007 15:30:10 GMT -6
I may have a unique approach to fighting during practice. Verbal confrontation is punished by up downs. If it comes to blows or pushing, I give them what they want. I line the combatants up nose to nose in a three point stance and they drive each other to the whislte. If one goes to the ground they line up again and start over. I have them drive each other until they don't want to fight each other or they are so exhausted they can't get back in a stance. After a few minutes they usually forgot the reason they were fighting and I can get back to practice.
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Oct 30, 2007 15:33:44 GMT -6
Post by biggerblue on Oct 30, 2007 15:33:44 GMT -6
yea well our 2 guards yesterday started yelling at each other because one of them did this wrong and the other did that wrong then when we were running our "Unbalanced Trap series and some how they both pulled into each other, and then like morons they got in a fist fight, but nobody got hurt cuz they were both wearing pads , the coaches and I let them duke it out until they were both tired and couldnt move anymore, then after that they were just fine. It got everyone pumped up for the rest of practice but then on friday night they almost got into it again on the field so we took them out the game and made them hold hands on the dieline to embaress them so they wouldnt do it again, and still to this day they havent fought each other they now actually hang out as friends and stuff>
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Oct 30, 2007 15:35:05 GMT -6
Post by biggerblue on Oct 30, 2007 15:35:05 GMT -6
whoops didnt mean to write yesterday i meant last week sory for the miss conception!
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Oct 30, 2007 16:50:08 GMT -6
Post by eickst on Oct 30, 2007 16:50:08 GMT -6
Make them hold hands, that's classic.
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wccoach
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Oct 30, 2007 17:22:40 GMT -6
Post by wccoach on Oct 30, 2007 17:22:40 GMT -6
We do not tolerate fighting during a game ever except when coming to the defense of a teammate that is already in a fight. The player who has to be rescued by his teammates is severely punished or dismissed. The teammates that come to his rescue are also punished but not nearly as severe.
During practice we do not allow players on the same side of the ball to fight ever, for any reason! We will allow some extra curricular activity with the opposing teammate in certain situations. We have had some scrums when doing indy and/or group pass pro with our linemen. I am somewhat old school and understand the violent nature of the game and will allow some extra activity in these situations. Our guys are a tight group and the "fight" is never a personal issue, but an overflow of intensity. After a fight, the guys are usually laughing about it and getting ribbed by teammates before the next period. Sometimes it helps our team to get ready for a big game when our linemen are getting after each other. Fighting for some stupid personal reason is an immediate dismissal. ( Like over a girl )
We had a captain get injured during a scrimmage this year and he could not return until game 4 of the regular season. He was not at some practices during this time due to his rehab and he was not very happy about not being there, but we felt his rehab was more important than watching practice and told him to get to rehab. Well, this guy gets cleared to practice the week of game 4 and he lets me and everybody else know that he is coming back to re-take his spot as the alpha male of our team. His teammates must have forgotten what a tough SOB this guy is because they just were not ready for his intensity. He beat each kid in every drill and then just went berserk in group pass pro. He would not let the coach take him out of the pass pro drill until somebody could stop him. He was an animal and kept talking trash until one of the O Tackles had enough and went after him. OMG! That was a big mistake. It took 3 of us to peel him off the O Tackle. After practice he came into the office and was going to apologize for his behavior, but we told him it was OK and we understood, but to calm down a little and take it out on the upcoming opponent. Before he left, I asked what triggered this and he says, "My dad told me that when the Godfather gets out of prison, after a long stretch, that he has to take back what is his and sometimes there might be some bodies that go missing." This kid is full blood Italian and I did not know what to make of it and I never asked. We had a great week 4 and our "Godfather" Captain has had a great season.
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Oct 30, 2007 17:46:17 GMT -6
Post by eickst on Oct 30, 2007 17:46:17 GMT -6
Oh my god I would kill for a player like that! Even to have one every other year would be great
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Oct 30, 2007 17:50:41 GMT -6
Post by biggerblue on Oct 30, 2007 17:50:41 GMT -6
I WOULD LIKE HIM TOO, THE WAY HE CAME OFF OF INJURY AND THEN BURNED EVERYONE BUT THE ONLY TIME I LIKE WHEN PEOPLE TALK CRAP IS WHEN THERE ON NTHE FIELD AND THERE THAT TYPEOF PLAYERWHO INSTILLS FEAR IN YOU AND LETS YOU KNOW EVERY SNAP EVERRY PLAY HELL BE IN YOUR FACE LIKE LAWRENCE TAYLOR.
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Fights
Oct 30, 2007 19:06:40 GMT -6
Post by lawless on Oct 30, 2007 19:06:40 GMT -6
In semi-pro we had a beast of a DE who just started losing it over the season. Started fighting during practice, always on edge. During a game the DE was almost non-responsive, just staring off in space during my talk with them at halftime. 2nd half, the D went on to the field and he didn't go out with them, he was not in the huddle. He started jogging onto the field after the call was made. As the offense got to the line he slowly started increasing his jog to a run and ended up attacking the center right at the snap of the ball. They had run right where he was supposed to be lined up.
They get a nice gain and as our D starts to regroup, the MLB yells at the DE and telling him if he doesn't want to play to get off the field. The DE turns and just mauls the MLB, swinging, cussing head butting. Just goes off the deep end. The rest of the DL pull them apart and the flags come flying. He was tossed and hit with a unsportsmanlike conduct. I tried to decline it since my defensive player was the one attacked, and after some thought the official disagreed with me. I almost had him though.
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Nov 1, 2007 12:17:12 GMT -6
Post by silkyice on Nov 1, 2007 12:17:12 GMT -6
Before he left, I asked what triggered this and he says, "My dad told me that when the Godfather gets out of prison, after a long stretch, that he has to take back what is his and sometimes there might be some bodies that go missing." This kid is full blood Italian and I did not know what to make of it and I never asked. We had a great week 4 and our "Godfather" Captain has had a great season. LMAO!!!!!
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Nov 1, 2007 12:18:54 GMT -6
Post by silkyice on Nov 1, 2007 12:18:54 GMT -6
In semi-pro we had a beast of a DE who just started losing it over the season. Started fighting during practice, always on edge. During a game the DE was almost non-responsive, just staring off in space during my talk with them at halftime. 2nd half, the D went on to the field and he didn't go out with them, he was not in the huddle. He started jogging onto the field after the call was made. As the offense got to the line he slowly started increasing his jog to a run and ended up attacking the center right at the snap of the ball. They had run right where he was supposed to be lined up. They get a nice gain and as our D starts to regroup, the MLB yells at the DE and telling him if he doesn't want to play to get off the field. The DE turns and just mauls the MLB, swinging, cussing head butting. Just goes off the deep end. The rest of the DL pull them apart and the flags come flying. He was tossed and hit with a unsportsmanlike conduct. I tried to decline it since my defensive player was the one attacked, and after some thought the official disagreed with me. I almost had him though. ROIDS!!!!!
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Nov 1, 2007 12:38:10 GMT -6
Post by wingt74 on Nov 1, 2007 12:38:10 GMT -6
Before he left, I asked what triggered this and he says, "My dad told me that when the Godfather gets out of prison, after a long stretch, that he has to take back what is his and sometimes there might be some bodies that go missing." This kid is full blood Italian and I did not know what to make of it and I never asked. We had a great week 4 and our "Godfather" Captain has had a great season. LMAO!!!!! great story
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Nov 1, 2007 12:42:11 GMT -6
Post by coachcalande on Nov 1, 2007 12:42:11 GMT -6
yea well our 2 guards yesterday started yelling at each other because one of them did this wrong and the other did that wrong then when we were running our "Unbalanced Trap series and some how they both pulled into each other, and then like morons they got in a fist fight, but nobody got hurt cuz they were both wearing pads , the coaches and I let them duke it out until they were both tired and couldnt move anymore, then after that they were just fine. It got everyone pumped up for the rest of practice but then on friday night they almost got into it again on the field so we took them out the game and made them hold hands on the dieline to embaress them so they wouldnt do it again, and still to this day they havent fought each other they now actually hang out as friends and stuff> well, if its a school event (football practice counts as a school event) fighting on school property, during school events can and often does lead to suspensions out of school...that means your players cant play...so, in short, you may have made a serious mistake in allowing the fight to go on. Personally, i stop the fight and have the kids do updowns and let em know that any further distractions to my team and my practice means they are gone. One year I kicked two boys off the team the night before our final game of the season for fighting ..they were BROTHERS and they were a huge distraction during our practice as we tried to prepare for an undefeated season. last year I had two boys go at it, racial slurs started it. seemed like it fizzled quickly with redirection, went to administration and THANK GOODNESS I had already disciplined both boys and spoke with the parents. Dont mess around with this stuff.
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Nov 1, 2007 13:01:22 GMT -6
Post by biggerblue on Nov 1, 2007 13:01:22 GMT -6
we actually did tell our althletic director about the incident and he talked to them both the very next day about it and like i said they are the best of friends the reason we let them go at it was because they both got anger problems and we knew nothing real bad would of happened and it wasnt that bad of a fight there wasnt even punches throw it just was a wrestling match and our team is like 1 big family Our team every tuesday has a student meeting just the team by thereselves after practice is over and they talk about issues within the team and as a team they try and resolve what is going on between the team if there is any problem and i think that is what really helped the entire situation.
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Fights
Nov 1, 2007 16:43:10 GMT -6
Post by coachcalande on Nov 1, 2007 16:43:10 GMT -6
well, its your job coach, one parent phone call crying about this and youre probably going to be out of a job. if it were me Id have put a stop to it. Its not like you guys are the oakland raiders.
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Fights
Nov 1, 2007 18:40:10 GMT -6
Post by airman on Nov 1, 2007 18:40:10 GMT -6
i see the football field as a special classroom. I feel the rules of the school must apply so I do not tolerate fighting.
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Nov 2, 2007 7:46:26 GMT -6
Post by coachveer on Nov 2, 2007 7:46:26 GMT -6
Before he left, I asked what triggered this and he says, "My dad told me that when the Godfather gets out of prison, after a long stretch, that he has to take back what is his and sometimes there might be some bodies that go missing." This kid is full blood Italian and I did not know what to make of it and I never asked. We had a great week 4 and our "Godfather" Captain has had a great season. LMAO- I will trade you 6 unmotivated OL for that kid. How is that for a deal?
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Nov 2, 2007 10:13:40 GMT -6
Post by mitch on Nov 2, 2007 10:13:40 GMT -6
We let them fight until one's helmet comes off. Little risk of injury until then. Fighting, or more appropriately, the willingness to fight is key if you are going to be any good.
"Football, in its most basic form, is a physical fight. And as in any fight, if you aren't willing to fight, its impossible to win."
Bud Wilkinson
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Fights
Nov 2, 2007 12:14:17 GMT -6
Post by airman on Nov 2, 2007 12:14:17 GMT -6
We let them fight until one's helmet comes off. Little risk of injury until then. Fighting, or more appropriately, the willingness to fight is key if you are going to be any good. "Football, in its most basic form, is a physical fight. And as in any fight, if you aren't willing to fight, its impossible to win." Bud Wilkinson and in the 1950s I would agree with him. parents would also have no problem in the 1950s with this as well. however in 2000's where the majority of civilians are soft and weak this might not work so well. the desire of many cash strapped parents see the school district now as a cash cow. In my state(wisconsin) you are legally obligated to breakup a fight on school grounds. Failure to do so can get you in trouble. I prefer the shoot drill for developing toughness. the USMC does this drill as well.
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wccoach
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Nov 2, 2007 12:25:55 GMT -6
Post by wccoach on Nov 2, 2007 12:25:55 GMT -6
Sorry Coach Veer, but "Michael" is only a junior and I am going to need him for one more year. His younger brother is going to be a freshman next year and he is also a terror. OC says he would love to have his brother on offense as a fullback, but doesn't want to get an ice pick in the eye if the kid doesn't get enough carries! "Michael" and "Sonny" will probably play on the same DL next year. I cannot wait to see the "bodies go missing" when these guys get after it!
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Nov 5, 2007 9:27:27 GMT -6
Post by mitch on Nov 5, 2007 9:27:27 GMT -6
"however in 2000's where the majority of civilians are soft and weak this might not work so well" - airman
The football field is one of the few places where this kind of mentality can be discredited and 'un-taught'. I don't worry too much about potential lawsuits on the practice field, and personally have never heard of a parent winning cash because their child was in a fight during practice.
Not trying to disrepect you opinion, just stating mine.
Congrats on the win, by the way.
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