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Post by mitch on Jan 22, 2006 16:41:39 GMT -6
I have only played and coached in offensive systems were plays were called by Back #/ Hole #. We always get into the season and want to run new wrinkle or play and struggle to come up with the verbage. We usually come up w/ something that works, but I am curious about the series system of calling plays. What are the pros and cons of the series vs the back/hole # system? A basic explanation of the series sytem would definetly help me as well.
Thanks in advance for the help.
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Post by cc on Jan 22, 2006 21:49:40 GMT -6
I have done both and I have also done simply a play type of call with right and left. I like the # system of back to hole the best. There is no perfect system and you will often have to bend the rules of the sytem a bit now and then no matter what you run. So for my two bits the vote would go for back to hole # system.
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Post by edgy on Jan 22, 2006 23:00:26 GMT -6
We use a three digit system when calling plays. The first digit is the series; second digit is the back; and the third digit is the hole. We call formation (with tags), then the three digits, then any other tags. For instance, we might say, "twins zac, 844" which would translate to "twins zac" I twins, with the Z going in motion across the formation; "8" (inside zone or blast series) qb opening play-side at about 6 o'clock; "4" tailback; "4" over 4 hole.
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Post by lochness on Jan 23, 2006 6:06:34 GMT -6
We use the back number and hole number system, but we also have series names based on the action of our 3 or 4 base run plays. So, we can identify all of the important info in one playcall.
These are our series and corresponding plays:
BELLY SERIES:
Belly
Belly Keeper
Belly Counter
Belly Option
Belly Handback
LEAD SERIES:
Lead
Lead Draw
Lead Counter
Lead Option
Lead Cross
SWEEP SERIES:
Sweep
Sweep Bootleg
Sweep Counter
ZONE SERIES:
Zone
Zone Stretch
Zone Toss
So, now we can call the back number (so there's no confusion or misunderstanding about who is carrying and who is not), the hole number (helps us identify where the blocking scheme is directed, who we're isoing, kicking out, trapping, reading in a zone scheme, etc.)
You can get this all across in one communication like: "36 Lead Counter"
3 back
6 hole
Lead Series action
Counter blocking scheme and steps for backfield
I've seen a lot of coaches argue that the hole numbers are not useful and only force the back into running a set track. I disagree. We use our hole numbers to indicate more to the OL about the play than anything else. Now, we don't need to have different play names to designate an inside counter from an outside counter. If we want to trap the DT in a 5-2 defense, we call "34 Lead Counter"...if we want to trap the DE we call "36 Lead Counter".
The other benefit of organizing your run game like this is that it ensures that you are installing a play that fits into your offense, and not just running a mess of plays. If we want to put a counter or reverse or something new in, we have to put it in as a compliment to one of our existing plays so that it fits in a series.
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baraboo99
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Post by baraboo99 on Jan 24, 2006 9:54:37 GMT -6
I use a combination of the two. I have my series organized by number.
10 series- option
20 series- outside run
30 series- 3 step pass
40 series- screens
50 series- 5 step pass
60 series- "counter" run
70 series- playaction
80 series- inside run
90 series- trick plays
I also have two roll out series that are indicated by names.
I call my plays like this "Twins Right 64 Pull" or "Twins Right 46 Jailbreak Screen".
I did it like this because I think it makes it easier for the players to memorize the plays, because sometimes having 9 plays that start Twins Right 24 _______ can confuse younger and inexperienced players.
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devils1
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Post by devils1 on Jan 24, 2006 11:04:23 GMT -6
i have used names instead of #s for many years. i dont understand the reason to call a play 46 counter. call it 46 or call it counter. i try to eliminate as many sylables as possible. you teach the play as a counter but then call it 46???
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SlipScreen
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Post by SlipScreen on Jan 24, 2006 11:40:14 GMT -6
I use a system similar to the one loch ness described and for the same reasons.
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 25, 2006 8:30:43 GMT -6
i have used names instead of #s for many years. i dont understand the reason to call a play 46 counter. call it 46 or call it counter. i try to eliminate as many sylables as possible. you teach the play as a counter but then call it 46??? hey coach, we use back and hole numbering... the plays are called very simply..."ray 25 counter" for example..communicating left wing in motion to right, 2 back to 5 hole with qb and fb doing counter footwork and the oline blocking the 5 hole with counter scheme. we could run "lee 25 power" or we could run "ray 325 counter xx"....so for us, we want to make it clear a) who goes in motion, who gets the ball, the backfield footwork , the oline point of attack which designates which rules are used where and the type of scheme used to open the hole...alot of communication in simple play calling method. there are many ways to get it done...we have called plays by goofy names too and that works as well... "pamala Anderson" gets the kids attention too. |
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Post by saintrad on Jan 25, 2006 9:38:59 GMT -6
ahhh pamela anderson was an all out blitz this year, show have seen the signal for that one... the kids made it up so you can just imagine
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Post by tye2021 on Jan 25, 2006 12:19:27 GMT -6
devils1,
What type of formations do you run? I can understand your philosophy if you are running a 1 back set. But If you have 2 back formationts, how do you know which back is carrying the ball? Thats what 46 does for some coaches. 46 counter means the 4 back is running the counter in through the 6 hole.
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tedseay
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Post by tedseay on Jan 26, 2006 9:03:24 GMT -6
What are the pros and cons of the series vs the back/hole # system? Mitch: To me, the chief advantage of the series playcalling system is that it reminds you you are not running plays, but choosing from among play SERIES. Everything you do should set up something else in your repertoire. My Wild Bunch offense features one kind of motion that initiates the Fly Sweep series, Bunch Attack passes to one side of the formation, and Run and Shoot passes to the other side -- we want to deny as many useful reads to the defense as possible before the ball is snapped. Series-based play calling helps with all this by reminding my players that a given play belongs to a given series, and I find that series-based calls make it easier for my guys to remember to carry out their fakes with everything they've got. |
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Post by rossmacky on Jan 29, 2006 21:31:22 GMT -6
I've been in both systems. And both have their advantages, but I think I like the series system the best. From an Oline point of veiw the learning is minimal. Give the same look up front but by changing one number a new look in the back end. And if you want to add a new wrinkle just tag it. You want to run the counter but your tackle is to slow give a Texas call and he stays home. Whatever, I really like the series system. Simplicity.
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