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Post by knight9299 on Sept 22, 2007 14:53:26 GMT -6
Last night we got beat 42-0. For the season (four games) we have scored 2 touchdowns. We're a five wide all the time offense. Our QB is completing at about a 20% clip. Defensively we have allowed at least 30 points a game. After the first game we went back to just our basic cover 3 and line stunts. Tackling every day. The basics. Still get rolled in game #2. For game #3 we faced a team that runs and runs and runs. We had 8 or 9 guys in the box. Same results. Last night we faced a spread team. We're a 43/42 team. We threw in a 3 dl, 3 lbs, & 5 dbs package. As I said earlier 42 points. This whole time offensively we have seen 2 deep five under. We have no answer to this. We have scored 2 touchdowns all season. Today the HC informs the DC we're switching to a 353- because he knows it. The DC says with the 42 we can do everything the 35 can do and we won't have teach anything all that new. He says the scheme is broken and needs to be fixed. When the varsity DC asks what about the sophomore team? The varsity HC says the scheme is okay down there so they can still run the 42, but the scheme is not sound at the varsity level. Excuse me but it isn't scheme it's Jimmy and Joe's, right? The varsity DC is at a loss how the defense needs to be changed but the offense is just peachy. Just ranting.
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Post by davecisar on Sept 23, 2007 12:39:15 GMT -6
At a 20% completion percentage . probably lots of 3 and outs and taking zero time off the clock. Puts lots of pressure on the defense being out there the whole game.
If you start the game at your own 25 dont get a first down, take zero time off the clock, punt they return it to the 50 etc etc Short fields to defend all night long.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 23, 2007 12:45:07 GMT -6
losing brings out the bad stuff.
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Post by champ93 on Sept 23, 2007 13:49:45 GMT -6
The spread is a great offense--when it works.
Sounds like you are playing lots of defense. Get the total play counts for your games this year. You'll probably see that they have the ball much more than you. As Dave said, your O is taking no time off the clock and you're probably playing 10-15 more plays on D than O. I was a
D coordinator in a similar situation a few years back. I took the play count to the Head Coach, told him we will continue to get hammered if we keep the spread. I would change the D if he if he wanted me to, but he can't expect the D to play that many more plays each week and not give up points. He agreed and we changed the O,went to 2TE Offense and ran the ball to shorten the game. We still lost, but the play count became even and we stayed close in most of the games.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 23, 2007 13:53:50 GMT -6
I was a D assistant at a school where the O didn't score a single POINT for 6 full games, and a half before that, so 26 straight quarters. It was BRUTAL on our D. It doesnt matter what D you play, your kids need rest.
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Post by wildcat on Sept 23, 2007 13:57:38 GMT -6
Why is the QB completing so few passes? Dropped balls? Bad passes? Too many deep throws? Poor pass protection?
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Post by knight9299 on Sept 23, 2007 14:00:07 GMT -6
Why is the QB completing so few passes? Dropped balls? Bad passes? Too many deep throws? Poor pass protection? Poor reads, dropped balls you name it. We switched QBs for Friday and moved ball a little better- but still no TDs. It's happening at the varsity and sophomore levels. I'm the sophomore DC and we've done so-so defensively but have had zero production on offense, until Friday. The sophomore game was the first time we've seen anything other than 2 deep five under. They ran man. This is heading for a knock down drag out amongst the coaches. Sophomore HC/OC told the team after Friday we may need to tweak the scheme defensively. Friday was the first time we allowed more than 3 offensive touchdowns all year. |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 23, 2007 14:02:43 GMT -6
It sounds like you guys have just had the flood gates opened on you. It sucks that they're talkin about switchin schemes (and probably won't work) but at least they're tryin to fix things. Sometimes, it doesn't take much to unravel the whole ball of yarn in a football game. For example; we lost a close one two weeks ago; 27-26. It was a game we should havee one; we were the better team athlete wise.We started off the game with a turnover (fumbled the kick off return) and they marched it on us to go up 7-0. It took us an entire half to recover from that turnover and score; we didn't get points up on the board until the 3rd quarter. It was a good thing our defense was firing on all cylinders because our offense was flat and not executing.
I think you guys were going about it the right way initially- keep hammering the basics on the defensive side of the ball. Just keep your head up and try to come up with solutions; it all you can do.
Like people have said, the spread offense is great when it's run right. BUT; it can be the death of a program when run incorrectly just because it extends the game by so many plays. If you guys are only competing 20% of your passes, then I'd seriously think about installing a better quick and screen game.
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Post by wildcat on Sept 23, 2007 16:22:01 GMT -6
This probably pretty simplistic, but if they are playing man under, you should be able to work your quick game, run crossing routes, and run the ball with the QB.
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Post by goldenbear76 on Sept 23, 2007 17:12:25 GMT -6
Also might be a good idea to take a look at your team and decide if someone might be better suited at another position..etc.
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Post by saintrad on Sept 23, 2007 17:37:36 GMT -6
there are three questions that comes to mind is how long have you been a "Spread" team; and how successful have you been in the past? how experienced is your offensive line?
Take the QB's ability to make progression reads away from him. yes, you heard me. You send in a play and TELL HIM who to throw to, period. That takes the pressure for the misreads off of the young man and puts it on the coach upstairs to read the D and such. if this is your first year of the spread it may be too much for the QB to digest. Take some pressure off of him and tell him why you are doing it. AS he progresses and becomes more comfortable then give him simple reads such as high/low, inside/outside, etc. Then as he gets better at that give him half field and the full field reads.
If you just witched to the spread recently, may I ask why? unless you have an very deep understanding of how to PRACTICE the spread dont go to it. Was there something that made things difficult with the old offense? or was it just lack of faith in it?
As for the O-line it is really simple: your offense goes as your line goes.
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Post by knight9299 on Sept 23, 2007 17:56:21 GMT -6
there are three questions that comes to mind is how long have you been a "Spread" team; and how successful have you been in the past? how experienced is your offensive line? Take the QB's ability to make progression reads away from him. yes, you heard me. You send in a play and TELL HIM who to throw to, period. That takes the pressure for the misreads off of the young man and puts it on the coach upstairs to read the D and such. if this is your first year of the spread it may be too much for the QB to digest. Take some pressure off of him and tell him why you are doing it. AS he progresses and becomes more comfortable then give him simple reads such as high/low, inside/outside, etc. Then as he gets better at that give him half field and the full field reads. If you just witched to the spread recently, may I ask why? unless you have an very deep understanding of how to PRACTICE the spread dont go to it. Was there something that made things difficult with the old offense? or was it just lack of faith in it? As for the O-line it is really simple: your offense goes as your line goes. We have not been good in 3 years. The head coach is brand spankin new, it's the system he brought with him. This his first year as a HC. He was an assistant for a program that runs this 5-wide scheme. We're not getting pressured that much. Opposing teams sit in 2 deep five under and force us to dink and dunk. It's not working. Add no huddle to the equation and we've defended an entire game more of plays than WE have run offensively. I just got back from Sunday meetings. We are staying with the original scheme, but are limited to 2 fronts & 3 blitzes. After saying this he proceeds to draw 4 new plays for the offense.  It feels a lot like the HC/OC for both levels don't want us around next year.. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 23, 2007 18:01:45 GMT -6
Hey..do you WANT to be around next year? Sounds like you work for one of those guys destined to always lose, and never look in the mirror to find out why. Don't sweat it
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Post by brophy on Sept 23, 2007 18:04:30 GMT -6
This his first year as a HC. He was an assistant for a program that runs this 5-wide scheme. We're not getting pressured that much. We are staying with the original scheme, but are limited to 2 fronts & 3 blitzes. After saying this he proceeds to draw 4 new plays for the offense. It feels a lot like the HC/OC for both levels don't want us around next year.. well, hey, you're not along (lol)......... Sometimes you just need to vent (like here) because there isn't much else you can do when you are cemented into a program with a quick fix. If winning / turning a program around was as simple as bringing in a "new scheme" you'd be winning. Unfortunately, the 'recipe' for success involves; 1) Focussed Leadership 2) A Clear Plan (with answers for anticipated problems) 3) Open communication and shared responsibility 4) Support from above and around |
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Post by playfast on Sept 24, 2007 7:15:00 GMT -6
Do your job and coach to your ability!!! Hopefully you and the other coaches can deal with this and not have it affect the team.
Football is a simple game. At times we as coaches make it to difficult.
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Post by knight9299 on Sept 24, 2007 8:45:40 GMT -6
Do your job and coach to your ability!!! Hopefully you and the other coaches can deal with this and not have it affect the team. Football is a simple game. At times we as coaches make it to difficult. That's the thing only 4 out of the 8 staff members are aware that the HC wanted to switch defenses. 3 weeks ago the same HC lectured us about being on the same page. Both myself and the varsity DC are doing all our normal prep. It's just no fun looking over your shoulder wondering if and when the knife is going to be put into your back.. |
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Post by wingt74 on Sept 24, 2007 11:59:26 GMT -6
Last night we got beat 42-0. For the season (four games) we have scored 2 touchdowns. We're a five wide all the time offense. Our QB is completing at about a 20% clip. Defensively we have allowed at least 30 points a game. After the first game we went back to just our basic cover 3 and line stunts. Tackling every day. The basics. Still get rolled in game #2. For game #3 we faced a team that runs and runs and runs. We had 8 or 9 guys in the box. Same results. Last night we faced a spread team. We're a 43/42 team. We threw in a 3 dl, 3 lbs, & 5 dbs package. As I said earlier 42 points. This whole time offensively we have seen 2 deep five under. We have no answer to this. We have scored 2 touchdowns all season. Today the HC informs the DC we're switching to a 353- because he knows it. The DC says with the 42 we can do everything the 35 can do and we won't have teach anything all that new. He says the scheme is broken and needs to be fixed. When the varsity DC asks what about the sophomore team? The varsity HC says the scheme is okay down there so they can still run the 42, but the scheme is not sound at the varsity level. Excuse me but it isn't scheme it's Jimmy and Joe's, right? The varsity DC is at a loss how the defense needs to be changed but the offense is just peachy. Just ranting. Sounds like the HC is looking to make some serious adjustments to improve his team. Sounds like offense is the problem...but, he is the head coach. There are two sides to every story. As a HC, I know that if the team is struggling...I need to make changes. Scheme can help a little. Sounds like you are uncompetitive too. If my team was uncompetitive, I would see if I could fix the defense too |
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Post by khalfie on Sept 24, 2007 13:44:23 GMT -6
My name is Khalfie...
(Hi Khalfie)
And I too am at Rock Bottom...
It all started in week 1 where we lost 26-6... felt pretty good about that lost... it was a good team, and we competed...
Well, week 5 just passed, and we were hit with the running clock 47-7 by a comprable team. THey were bigger, but we were faster. However, I'm down 5 starters... and with only 31 players... 15 of which that should only play frosh/soph ball... playing with 12 kids has brought the bottom even closer.
I have 4 seniors, so I get almost all of the team back...
My question is this... when do I go to the youth movement? Don't want to disrespect my seniors... and I still want to win one... but I do want some of my stud Sophomores to get that experience.
Got one Soph that I'd like to see at Mike next year... do I move the senior?
He's probably the only one that needs to crack the starting line up... that isn't already playing... except there is this freshman...
When do I make the move, without giving the impression the season is over?
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Post by coachsky on Sept 24, 2007 14:01:31 GMT -6
Khalflie,
Fortunately we are a couple floors above "Rock Bottom" this year. We are just too young. We'll finish close to .500. We have out 11 Seniors, 17 Juniors, 47 Sophomores. Poor quality on the Seniors and Jrs. We are starting about 6 Sophs on each side.
We have been accused by some upper classmen and parents that we are abandoning the upper class to build for future years. The truth is we are fielding the best players.
We have a few positions where the Senior and the Sophomore are close and we are giving the Sophomore a few series each game. I wouldn't bench my Senior, especially if he's an equal player. Id feather in your Sophs to get them experience.
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Post by ajreaper on Sept 24, 2007 15:35:20 GMT -6
Tell them you coach the varsity football team- not the senior football team. You'll play the best players and if a sophmore with 2 years less experience and less time in the program can beat the senior out well honestly how good is that senior and how hard has he worked?
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Post by wildcat on Sept 24, 2007 20:59:13 GMT -6
My name is Khalfie... (Hi Khalfie) And I too am at Rock Bottom... It all started in week 1 where we lost 26-6... felt pretty good about that lost... it was a good team, and we competed... Well, week 5 just passed, and we were hit with the running clock 47-7 by a comprable team. THey were bigger, but we were faster. However, I'm down 5 starters... and with only 31 players... 15 of which that should only play frosh/soph ball... playing with 12 kids has brought the bottom even closer. I have 4 seniors, so I get almost all of the team back... My question is this... when do I go to the youth movement? Don't want to disrespect my seniors... and I still want to win one... but I do want some of my stud Sophomores to get that experience. Got one Soph that I'd like to see at Mike next year... do I move the senior? He's probably the only one that needs to crack the starting line up... that isn't already playing... except there is this freshman... When do I make the move, without giving the impression the season is over? For starters...turn your darn cell phone off when you are on the sidelines!  |
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Post by eickst on Sept 24, 2007 21:27:01 GMT -6
Tell them you coach the varsity football team- not the senior football team. You'll play the best players and if a sophmore with 2 years less experience and less time in the program can beat the senior out well honestly how good is that senior and how hard has he worked? Quoted because it's the best way I've ever seen it put. |
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Post by knight9299 on Sept 25, 2007 10:35:59 GMT -6
My name is Khalfie... (Hi Khalfie) And I too am at Rock Bottom... It all started in week 1 where we lost 26-6... felt pretty good about that lost... it was a good team, and we competed... Well, week 5 just passed, and we were hit with the running clock 47-7 by a comprable team. THey were bigger, but we were faster. However, I'm down 5 starters... and with only 31 players... 15 of which that should only play frosh/soph ball... playing with 12 kids has brought the bottom even closer. I have 4 seniors, so I get almost all of the team back... My question is this... when do I go to the youth movement? Don't want to disrespect my seniors... and I still want to win one... but I do want some of my stud Sophomores to get that experience. Got one Soph that I'd like to see at Mike next year... do I move the senior? He's probably the only one that needs to crack the starting line up... that isn't already playing... except there is this freshman... When do I make the move, without giving the impression the season is over? I'm probably the wrong guy to respond since I am a youth movement guy. I play the player who gives us the best chance at success regardless of grade. Matter of fact, I start 2 sophomores and a freshman defensively every friday night. (and the freshman is hands down our best defensive player and leading our league in sacks.) I think it's time to split playing time between younger players and seniors when the season writing is on the wall. When playoffs and a league title are out of your reach. It's tough for the seniors to swallow, but you playing younger players is not a team decision, it is a program decision. Last year our Defense graduated 4 LBers (we ran the 33 stack), those seniors played every snap of every game and we never got any younger kids any time and we were 2-8. The DC was fired for other things, but I replaced him and coming in I had 1 LB with any friday night experience and it's shown. Call me crazy, but last year, when we were getting pounded by 40, we needed to get younger players in the game. I've already told my seniors...all 3 of them...when the season is decided, I am going to play younger players. The seniors won't be "done" but they are going to share time with the younger guys. That's just how it is unless we want to suck again next year. We were in the same situation last year. Except that our 2 senior LBers were playing THEIR butt off. Our mike was an animal. Because of this the juniors saw few snaps. Last year our defense played well. We just couldn't move the ball. This year both sides of the ball are bad and we need to get young guys out there. We made the decision to start 3 juniors at LB this week. Of the 3 only one sees any playing time on offense- so we should be fresher as well... |
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Post by fbdoc on Sept 25, 2007 16:48:24 GMT -6
Now you've got my attention! Been doing this for a long time... Our last game was postponed due to lightning so we played yesterday (Monday). Should have been a close game. We scored first, up 7-0 and they run the KO back for a TD! One of those 80 yard runs that the kid covered about 150 yards! They kick off, we go 3 and out - they block the punt for a TD! THey kick off, we run a couple of plays and fumble. 2 plays later they score. Its 21 freakin 7 and our kids no longer have the eye of the tiger, its now the dull stare of the dairy cow. Final is 41-7 bad guys. I've got 4 seniors and it's killing them that our younger guys haven't figured out that it takes 100% effort on every play or bad things happen. They called a meeting today and tried to explain it! Every kid I spoke with later said they did a great job of not pointing fingers and also (a blessing) praising the coaches(!) for doing a good job  . Had a great practice today and we got a "weak" opponent this coming Friday (not taking any chances!) so hopefully we're ready to get back on track. OK, so we're not Rock Bottom but it sure felt that way yesterday! We're 2-1 and we've got 7 games left. If I let the kids know how bad I felt during the game we would all be on a suicide watch. Suck it up gentlemen and Coach those youngsters up! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2007 9:52:56 GMT -6
I'd hate to recommend someone switch schemes in midseason for a number of reasons--the first one being that the kids think it's desperation time and may actually be let down if the changes don't bring immediate results.
That is unless what you change to is fun and exciting for them.
But I think simplifying and taking some guesswork out is okay.
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It feels a lot like the HC/OC for both levels don't want us around next year.. 
. Had a great practice today and we got a "weak" opponent this coming Friday (not taking any chances!) so hopefully we're ready to get back on track.