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Post by mariettablue on Oct 15, 2012 12:26:53 GMT -6
My question is why can't the DC make suggestions to the OC and vice versa if it's to better the team?
A good DC knows methods on stopping offense and a good OC knows ways to break through the defense. If they are on the same team, how much since does it make that the two not communicate concerns from the other side so they can use the info to help their side of the ball?
I played HS for a successful program and my HC was the OC. Him and the DC were rivals in practice to make both sides strong and if they recognized something they thought could be done differently on the other side of the ball they would bring it up then and there. If they disagreed they would set the play up and run it to analyze. If one was right the other would acknowledge the fact and make the necessary changes and then we would keep it moving.
They all had one goal in mind and it was the TEAM as a whole. It wasn't an issue about he disrespected me because I'm the ( HC, OC,DC). The results are what mattered.
I find it more disrespectful to the team as a whole if you recognize a legitimate problem and you have a solution but you just keep it to yourself. It's no different from a family in my book. If we can't say things to each other at home then we'll never be the best we can be together when we are away from home.
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Post by mariner42 on Oct 15, 2012 12:34:49 GMT -6
On a good staff, this should already be happening to an extent. If the DC sees something that he can help fix/make better, he says something knowing that the OC won't get his panties in a twist because the goal is a more successful team, not showing up the other guy.
If this isn't happening, your staff needs to reconsider how they are communicating with one another.
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Post by coachwilliams2 on Oct 15, 2012 12:56:30 GMT -6
It is not that they cannot/should not communicate. It is HOW it is brought to their attention.
In my opinion:
1. In Private
2. As an idea/not a demand
3. Not in an insulting (I am better/smart than you)
4. NEVER EVER in front of the kids.
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Post by mariner42 on Oct 15, 2012 13:06:21 GMT -6
4. NEVER EVER in front of the kids. I don't get this one. There's absolutely some things that shouldn't be said in front of the kids ("Hey slappy, what dvd did you get your offense from?") but to never, ever say anything in front of the kids is walking on unnecessary eggshells. You shouldn't be saying crap like "WTF, we should be running a 3-3 stack", but it's perfectly ok to say something like "Coach, did you notice that no one covered the slot there?" because then he can say "Crap, you're right" or "He's got a lower catch % than the grass, we'll cover him when it's worthwhile" and you can go from there. My 2c. |
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Post by coachbw on Oct 15, 2012 13:47:17 GMT -6
I agree that this does happen on good staff naturally. A lot of time, I think it is also solicited information though. Maybe the OC goes to the DC and says, what could we do formational to cause more conflict, or how might you line up against us if we did this. I think an open exchange of information and ideas is very beneficial. Someone telling someone else how something should be done, can be useful if done properly, but doesn't always work out that way.
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 15, 2012 21:07:19 GMT -6
I agree that this does happen on good staff naturally. A lot of time, I think it is also solicited information though. Maybe the OC goes to the DC and says, what could we do formational to cause more conflict, or how might you line up against us if we did this. I think an open exchange of information and ideas is very beneficial. Someone telling someone else how something should be done, can be useful if done properly, but doesn't always work out that way. I agree that it is beneficial and essential to really create an overall team concept. I can't see going years where a team has a shutdown defense but the offense barely puts points up all because the OC is missing something that no one is telling him "Out of respect for his title". I think sometimes words can cause hurt feelings but if you know that every staff member has bought in to the team concept it makes respecting coaches positions easier. They know the chain of command but feel free to contribute to the over all effort without it being misunderstood. Hopefully, that is. |
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Post by hawksoc on Oct 20, 2012 12:43:09 GMT -6
If the coaches can't coach as a team how would you expect the players to play as a team?
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Post by mariettablue on Oct 20, 2012 21:34:20 GMT -6
If the coaches can't coach as a team how would you expect the players to play as a team? I Agree! |
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Post by 33coach on Nov 5, 2012 15:06:24 GMT -6
You have to have an agreement in place.
My oc and i work closely together.
During a game i will go 'you know..you should really run 'this' right now because i see the outside linebacker on the left is slow to fill'
And my oc will walk by me during a game and say 'if it was me on the other side. Id do 'this' to you right now'.
Its proved very helpful. But you have to have the agreement before hand...dont just start suggesting stuff.
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Post by formrbcbuc on Dec 11, 2012 12:20:30 GMT -6
We do this on our staff regulary. We game plan together to the extent that if I see them have tendencies in coverage or scheme that we can exploit I tell him and vice versa, we help our scout looks and target both weaknesses and strengths of both our squad during the week to prepare for saturday.
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Post by scotdaking on Feb 7, 2014 16:21:06 GMT -6
Nothing happens naturally. There is always some cause and effect. I believe this is an important often overlooked area of coaching that should come under the direction of the HC. We try to sort this out during pre-season coaching meetings. The offense and defense is discussed and everyone has a chance to offer criticism with the Head Coach making the final decision on schemes and the playbook. Unfortunately, it stops there for us. We don't continue this scrutiny during live action of the season. We don't ask the DC to consider what the OC is preparing his kids to execute. We should. If the O line coach recognizes what the D line coach is teaching the O line coach better know how to defeat it and drill his kids on it. Often, we are scrambling to get under sized, under performing kids to accomplish basic tasks we have no time to get any more analytical. No excuse. I think your idea of examining the battle within the battle is a good one.
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Post by fantom on Feb 7, 2014 17:32:44 GMT -6
4. NEVER EVER in front of the kids. I don't get this one. There's absolutely some things that shouldn't be said in front of the kids ("Hey slappy, what dvd did you get your offense from?") but to never, ever say anything in front of the kids is walking on unnecessary eggshells. You shouldn't be saying crap like "WTF, we should be running a 3-3 stack", but it's perfectly ok to say something like "Coach, did you notice that no one covered the slot there?" because then he can say "Crap, you're right" or "He's got a lower catch % than the grass, we'll cover him when it's worthwhile" and you can go from there. My 2c. If there's any chance that it's going to start an argument or is derogatory to a player I'm not going to say it publicly. I might whisper it to a coach but I''m not going to say it out loud in a way that it sounds like a challenge or embarrasses a kid. We've had some Rock'em Sock 'Em Robots sessions behind closed doors but never in front of the kids. |
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